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Official docTY Taiyo Yuden thread
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8. March 2006 @ 16:46 |
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Kids these days I swear!!
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8. March 2006 @ 16:53 |
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Okay it's a nice sig... back to DVD media. I went media shopping to test out the octogonal spacer deal. No dice. All they had was MIT Sony DVD-R's, and the spacers were all circular. I believe the TYG02 I got at Wal-Mart did have an octogonal spacer, but I'm not 100% on that. It's probably accurate, I just wanted to test it out first hand. Doc or anybody else, have you verified this firsthand?
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hwrench
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8. March 2006 @ 18:10 |
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the sony +r I bought at bestbuy had the octogon spacers on top.
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8. March 2006 @ 18:47 |
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Yeah I meant to add the Sony DVD+R's I got at K-Mart had circular spacers, so the octagonal spacers being TY's must be a fairly recent thing.
Check out this scan of SSX On Tour burned to Yuden000T02 booktyped to DVD-ROM :
Yes it's a quick scan, and no there's no PI/PO scanning, but that's pretty either way.
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8. March 2006 @ 20:34 |
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I believe the TYG02 I got at Wal-Mart did have an octogonal spacer, but I'm not 100% on that. It's probably accurate, I just wanted to test it out first hand. Doc or anybody else, have you verified this firsthand?
well, i'm a DVD+R guy, so, i don't have any of the Sony 8x DVD-R TYG02s, so i couldn't tell ya firsthand~ :) i do have quite a few of the colored Fuji 8x DVD-R MIJ (30-pack spindle, 10 of each color)which are TYG02, but that is a completely different topic all together...btw, the FUJI ones i have do not have ANY styrofoam spacer whatsoever... :)
as to the Sony 8x DVD+R format, i have both...both the "older" (which do not say "accucore" on the actual disc itself) and the "newer" (which DO have "accucore" imprinted on the disc itself) :) as for the "older" ones, those have the circular spacer on the top, whereas the "newer" ones have the octagonal spacer at the top~ both are MIJ 50-pack spindles, identical media, just different "top-side" in terms of Sony branding :) it's been pretty consistent over here locally in Los Angeles, ALL the Sony 8x DVD+R MIJ regardless of shape of top spacer have been YUDEN000T02s :)
as to the other guy who got TYG02s in a MIT spindle, while i believe him, don't expect it to hold true nationwide, seemingly, this is a ONE-TIME occurance, you are taking a chance by going solely on the "shape of the top styrofoam spacer"...if it's TY media you want, definitely look for the MIJ on the spindle, then to take it a step further, look for the octagonal spacer as well...don't base your decision on the misconception of "octagon spacer = TY media" this is NOT true~ :)
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They have their beliefs and we have ours, after all CDFreaks posts Memorex sales and members actually go out and buy them, now that is scary.
quite frightening isn't it? i think CDFreaks and AfterDawn have members who are on completely opposite sides of thought regarding media...they have their own "media gurus" and we here have ours, to say which one is "correct" or "more knowledgeable" can not be defined; we here have to consider that once in awhile a member that believes CDFreaks is the "gospel" and final say in media will venture over here to OUR neck of the woods, whether his intention is to "stir things up" on our side or not, i simply just disregard it in a polite manner...if they persist on continuing the argument, report the offensive post or PM a mod, it will be dealt with accordingly. :)
@mort81
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Ooh, that gives me the shivers.
as does i, makes me think WHO let this unfortunate soul go out and spend money on CMC MAG discs? whether he/she was ill-informed or just naive, they will find out the HARD way sooner or later as MANY of us have when we started...
@binkie7
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The old fashion way - trial & error
that is how I learned too, i have used a pack of Memorex CMC MAGs, deterioration to "non-playable/copyable" status within 3 months for ME PERSONALLY...that's MY reason why i will never spend a dime on them again, being burned (no pun intended) once is ALL i need to keep me away forever...i too started with Princo's, the 4x DVD-R rated speed actually, nobody recommended them to me, those were the 1st discs i ever purchased when i started...because they were the most "affordable" at the time years ago... :)
i began having issues with the backups i made a few months down the line when i went to watch them again...in that respect, you get what you pay for...i learned the hard way~ cute sig, i like it as well~
@thelox714 & berger103
glad you guys have "seen the light"...boggles my mind as to WHY someone would pay MORE for crappy media when much better quality media is less expensive...strange world.. :)
well, this has been productive...good day to you all~ :)
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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namjaboy
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8. March 2006 @ 21:10 |
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Hi docTY. I currently have a bunch of RIDATA. So far, the burning has been fine. However, I heard that these media deteriorate quickly. I have not had such problems yet. It's been almost a year and my dvds seem fine. Do you think I will face them soon? What makes TYs so much better? Sorry for my amateur questions.
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8. March 2006 @ 21:34 |
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@namjaboy
hehe, i take it you are korean? i'm 1/2 myself~ :) anyways, which particular Ridata Riteks do you have? the deterioration that has been pronounced and reported have been MAINLY in the white-inkjet printable RitekG05s (which are the 8x DVD-R format) :P
i personally have Ridata RitekG05s (but are matte finish, NOT inkjet printables) from over 2 years ago and they are holding up VERY well as i've mentioned before...high 80's- low 90's quality score based on Nero cd-dvd speed quality testings, i posted them in alkohol's thread on why you should not use CMC MAG media~ :)
as to the recent reports of BAD quality RitekG05s in the inkjet printables, seems as if Ritek's quality control has gone down recently, mine are OLD from years ago and they were pretty darn good then and they still hold up today...perhaps i got a "good batch" back in the days, as it seems MORE and MORE people are bashing Ritek these days...but i don't blame them as i've seen some horrible scans on the Ritek printables :) that's Ritek's quality control dept's fault...
the reason why i recommend Taiyo Yuden discs so frequently on here is because of MY OWN success with them, TY uses the AZO dye which has proven, AT LEAST TO ME beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be the best quality discs money can buy at this point in time...everyone will have their own preferences on which media they feel is "the best" for their own setups/burning needs, but after thousands of TY discs, i am confident in the quality and longevity of MY backups onto Taiyo Yuden media (with the exception PERSONALLY of not really liking the 16x rated DVD-R TYG03s, but, that's just PERSONAL opinion)
Taiyo Yuden has always stood behind their quality control and while a few "bad batches" may be out there, in GENERAL their media is "better" made than anyone else's...with Verbatim MCC coded coming in very close behind, as they ALSO use the AZO dye in their discs.
lemme know which ones you currently have under the Ridata Ritek label, i'll give you an honest opinion once i know which ones you got~
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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8. March 2006 @ 23:24 |
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quite frightening isn't it? i think CDFreaks and AfterDawn have members who are on completely opposite sides of thought regarding media...they have their own "media gurus" and we here have ours, to say which one is "correct" or "more knowledgeable" can not be defined; we here have to consider that once in awhile a member that believes CDFreaks is the "gospel" and final say in media will venture over here to OUR neck of the woods, whether his intention is to "stir things up" on our side or not, i simply just disregard it in a polite manner...if they persist on continuing the argument, report the offensive post or PM a mod, it will be dealt with accordingly. :)
@Doc
I agree with you 100% completely. I just don't think, but I strongly deem that AD will be the "winner" when it comes to genuine/top notch media in reality. Honestly, I highly doubt there is any other brand of media out there that will ever top the famous, authentic Taiyo Yuden. From my personal experiences, Taiyo Yuden is the "BEST", regardless if it's a DVD-R or DVD+R format.
All I got to say is "Tai-yo Yu-den ROCK!!"
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aabbccdd
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8. March 2006 @ 23:48 |
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yes Taiyo Yuden is all i use, it plays in all the standalone dvd players i throw them at (DVD-R)and i seldom have a problem with them ,also my Plextor drives are very fond of them since they test there drive with TYs theres no way i can go wrong using them 78.99 for a 300 pack guys at SMS.com ,and thats free shipping
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namjaboy
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9. March 2006 @ 08:36 |
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thanks docTY =)
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9. March 2006 @ 09:21 |
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glad you guys have "seen the light"...
it took me a while.. but it was mainly one day when i was trying to burn memorex.. they kept giving me burn errors. i went down to the store and got some maxells.. and they burned perfectly.
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tashacat
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9. March 2006 @ 10:42 |
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aabbccdd, What is the website of SMS.com? I couldn't get it with you gave.
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9. March 2006 @ 10:49 |
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tashacat
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9. March 2006 @ 11:13 |
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Thanks a lot, the abreviation never crossed my mind, that's where I get my ty media. I have had my best success with Ty media.
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9. March 2006 @ 11:30 |
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Ty is you're best bet. You can't go wrong. I went through growing pains, too. Later.
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lon
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9. March 2006 @ 12:46 |
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Basec on the reading I've done here I popped for a
box of TY -R's at Supermedia since there are running a
no shipping sale.
After i clicked on confirm, I remebered about booking
only being possible with +R media.
Quite frankly I never looked at _any_ of theis stuff before
until my friend said he couldn't play something I sent him.
I had a master of this same job and it was on a Memorex so
I figured his was part of my memorex batch of burnes (I'm not
a high volume user and I get what's on sale-- up til now.)
Sure enough I tested my master of the job in Nero CDSpeed
and it punked out. Still the job plays in my Sony stand alone
player including the extras down at the end where all the
red hit.
So on this book issue, if the masters are made with +R
disk and then copied to some Yudens, does this guarantee a
certain amount of reliability?
Like I said, I never looked at this before because checking in
the Sony drive _always works_!
Try as I might today I could not find the DVD -R vs DVD +r
articles.
So what's the news on this related to TY media?
--> I read most of this thread but fatigue started to set in
so I skipped to the end. :-/
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9. March 2006 @ 13:14 |
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There is a link in my sig that should clarify the DVD±R differences
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9. March 2006 @ 13:19 |
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Copying a disc doesn't affect the booktype at all. You can set the booktype of the new discs to DVD-ROM (if they're DVD+R's) assuming your burner supports. Booktyping DVD+R's to DVD-ROM improves compatibility with older standalone's. Players nowadays probably will handle either format, but booktyping is always a good idea.
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lon
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9. March 2006 @ 13:31 |
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Does this mean that my new TY DVD-R's are only good for
a "moocher pack" as they used to say in my smoking days?
Oh well. Like I said, I have run into any problems
previously just with my one acquaintance who put me
on to all this. It seesm to get more rather than less
complicated.
I'll see what test results I get with the TY's. These should
be good in 75% of cases using my Benq 1640 _n'cest pas_?
Oh, one other thing I'm getting errors using DVDInfopro
which is supposed to be free. They didn't send any confirmation
of membership there either.
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9. March 2006 @ 13:41 |
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The free version of DVDInfo is adware-based. The pro version isn't, but it costs money. I don't fully understand your question. DVD-R's, don't need booktyped, they're already universally compatible with most DVD players. DVD+R's have compatibility issues with older standalones that can be alleviated by booktyping them to DVD-ROM. Your BenQ 1640 supports booktyping/bitsetting with it's official firmware. You should have a much higher success rate than 75% with Taiyo Yuden's, more like 98%, assuming you're following good burning practices. You're overcomplicating this. You should be fine with either +/- R format. The differences are technical and not real important. DVD+R's are better quality, DVD-R's have better compatibility. That's what it boils down to. There are other differences about where precorded info on the discs is stored, again not really important. Quite frankly you shouldn't have any issues with Taiyo Yuden media in either format.
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tashacat
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9. March 2006 @ 13:43 |
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My computer DVD drive will play either -or+ DVDs.
My DVD recorder with my TV set will only play -DVDs. I have a Pioneer531 and previously a Panasonic DMR E-80 DVD player recorder.
I like the Pioneer 531 much the better as the editing is much easier.
My Ty-Yudens are nearly perfect. Perhaps 1 out of 100 has been bad.
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9. March 2006 @ 13:43 |
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@Ion , the -r's are superior to other -r's and they still good so you didn't make a bad purchase. They will play and be good in 99 percent of the stand alone players. Just booktyping is better with the +r's if your burner supports it. Later
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9. March 2006 @ 13:49 |
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9. March 2006 @ 14:07 |
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Yes yes, I tend to agree with you, however in terms of compatibility and simple explanations, that article isn't real useful. It's a very in depth explanation for sure, but I don't think somebody who wants a general overview of DVD+R vs DVD-R will benefit much from reading it. I tried to paraphrase it in layman's terms. To be honest, I don't understand half that stuff. Nor do I care. If someone wants to read that so as to have a good, detailed grasp of the different formats, that's fine. I go with what works from personal experience, what I learn on AD, and from burning enthusiasists like Alkohol, Doc, and Mort81. Honestly if you asked them to explain that article, I bet they wouldn't have an easy time of it either.
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9. March 2006 @ 16:07 |
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I've been burning DVDs since 1998 (only PVR coded Pioneer media was available then) and over 95% of my discs from the late 90's are still playable ... however, the newer players prefer the DVD+R format. I give away homemade discs to several THOUSAND people a year at cat shows and get a lot of response as far as disc comaptibility and playability goes. I get far fewer complaints and send-backs using booktyped DVD+R discs than when I use DVD-R.
I use MIJ Sony/Yudens, MIJ Fuji,Yudens and Verbatim with excellent results ... I have burned an estimated 10,000+ DVDs total so I'm speaking from experience here
My best advice is to use DVD+R, booktype and burn at the rated speed for by far the best results.
Sorry for sidetracking your thread Doc ... but you know me, when I gotta say my piece, I gotta say my piece
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