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12. September 2009 @ 13:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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Here are some 8x DL Verbs from Meritline.

Verbatim (96542) DVD+R Dual Layer (DL) 8X Silver Branded Double Layer Blank DVD Plus R Media Discs 8.5GB/240Min Silver Branded Blank Media on Spindle
30 Pack

$31.99

http://www.meritline.com/verbatim-8x-dvd...d9dafa6


I asked if anyone had had any success with them and no one responded but the price is right. I don't need anymore now or I would have bitten. Don't know if sale is still on.
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13. September 2009 @ 10:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Verbatim 16X DVD+R or DVD-R 50ct. Spindes $12.99 ea, @ BestBuy

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15. September 2009 @ 09:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by garmoon:
@neptune

bratcher
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Here are some 8x DL Verbs from Meritline.

Verbatim (96542) DVD+R Dual Layer (DL) 8X Silver Branded Double Layer Blank DVD Plus R Media Discs 8.5GB/240Min Silver Branded Blank Media on Spindle
30 Pack

$31.99

http://www.meritline.com/verbatim-8x-dvd...d9dafa6


I asked if anyone had had any success with them and no one responded but the price is right. I don't need anymore now or I would have bitten. Don't know if sale is still on.
I've had good luck with these 8x Verbs burned at 8x with my Samsung buerner although I normally burn 8x DL media at 4x which gives me great results. Your results may vary due to your burner of course.
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NewEgg has Verbatim DVD-R spindles of 100 for $22.99 . . .

with free shipping as well as a $10 mail in rebate . . .

Total price is $12.99 for 100 DVD-R discs . . .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817507005

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15. September 2009 @ 21:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@bratcher

thanks for the heads up. I will try them some day when i run out of the good DLs.
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15. September 2009 @ 21:49 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by garmoon:
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thanks for the heads up. I will try them some day when i run out of the good DLs.
Start out with a 15 or 20 pack so that you don't waste too much money if your drive doesn't like them very well. Some drives do fine withe Ritek mid code DL media while others don't. Friend of mine tried a 100 pack of the Memorex DL's on his Sony computer & whatever drive that computer used made coasters out of the 2nd layer. I bought a 100 pack of the Verb 8x DL's (to trade for his remaining memorex DL's) & his drive did fine on both layers with the Verb DL's.

I do buy the Verb DL's when they go on sale. Otherwise I get the Ritek media usually with the Ridata brand on them instead of Memorex but I'll buy Memorex if it's cheap enough.
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16. September 2009 @ 13:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@ bratcher This is the Ritek I have that didn't fair well for me quite a bit etc... RITEK-F-16-01. Let me know if any more info needed. I still have quite a few so if it's the burning speed or w/e I'll adjust.

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16. September 2009 @ 14:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by dr_ml422:
@ bratcher This is the Ritek I have that didn't fair well for me quite a bit etc... RITEK-F-16-01. Let me know if any more info needed. I still have quite a few so if it's the burning speed or w/e I'll adjust.
Ah yes, single layer 16x Ritek media. Try burning it at 8x & see if yur results are better. Another idea is to defragment your computers hard drive too before burning another disc.
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16. September 2009 @ 17:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ok thnx. My HDD is almost always clean. I'll try burning at 8x though. I guess it's the DL Riteks that are better and alluded to here?

You are correct about individual burners though. Though this is a DVD thread I'll just quickly say that my Samsung IDE drive will not burn at set speed in ImgBurn and show up w/a miscompare. If I want for example 24x w/a cd-r I need to set it to 32 and so forth. On the other hand my Pioneer DVR 112-D will burn at desired speed w/no problem.

The CD-Rs are Verbs so no crappy media. Burners are funny that way though.

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16. September 2009 @ 18:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by dr_ml422:
The CD-Rs are Verbs so no crappy media. Burners are funny that way though.
A lot of the Verb CD-R discs are CMag . . . I really like the Verb DVD+R but refuse to purchase their CD media . . .

Personally, I get the MIJ Maxell CD-R (Yudens)

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16. September 2009 @ 18:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thnx for the heads up cat. I haven't used DVD Identifier in a while. hope that does cds too. idr. I won't mess w/them anymore. I started w/maxells and liked them myself. Never used their cds though.

Where you usually get yours at?

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16. September 2009 @ 21:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I get them at ABC Warehouse . . .

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16. September 2009 @ 21:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Great. A new source. If you use it then it must be reliable and safe.

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17. September 2009 @ 10:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ritek with F code = Fuji Oxonol dye; requires more laser power than other dyes at the same speed, but since slowing down recording speed also lowers the power requirement, 8X recording may produce better results. Environmental tests suggest Oxonol is a superior long-term dye.

Ritek DVD+R DL are the same as Memorex DL. If the discs are 8X, they are IS production, and switching from Memorex to Ritek will not produce any different results on a drive that cannot handle inverse stack discs.

Verbatim CD-Rs are generally CMC production. So are Verbatim DVDs except DL. Avoiding Verbatim CD-Rs because CMC made them but buying Verbatim DVD+/-R discs is silly: CMC makes almost all of them. As for CD-R quality, Taiyo Yuden is excellent; but don't expect the same life expectancy as other CD-R brands. The dyes TY uses for CD-R are reliable (according to destructive environmental testing) for about 30 years. Phthalocyanine dyes used by CMC, Ritek, Prodisc, and almost everyone else should last over 100 years--if that matters.
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17. September 2009 @ 11:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The manufacturer of the discs doesn't seem to matter as much as the actual ID that my burners read from the disc.

A Memorex DVD+R that IDs as CMag won't burn as well for me as a Verbatim (still made by CMag) that my drive reads as a MCC . .

And not all Verbatim DVDs are CMag . . some are ProDisc which are not as well tolerated by my drives as a CMag Verbatim

Now as far as the Verbatim CDs . . the CMag produced CDs don't burn as well as the ProDisc or Yuden produced Maxell

It all has to do with the firmware of the drives . . and my BenQ drives will self adjust their write stragety but really don't do as good of a job on CD media as my Samsung and Pioneer drives

The BenQ drives really love the CMag produced Verbatim +R media (the cake boxes have a short lip) while the Samsung seems to like the ProDisc Verbatim +R (with a taller lip)

My Pioneer (which does not booktype) gets used for CDs and really tears up the Yudens . . .

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17. September 2009 @ 11:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
My Samsung is the SHS202J (Sb03) firmware. I think it's up to date. You mean it self adjusts to the cd in ImgBurn to try and produce better results? Or ImgBurn does that? It's funny because my Samsungs whether sata or pata would hardly have any issue from jump street. The Pioneer 112d had to have several firmwares b4 fixing their cd burning.

Now the Pioneer is otm as far as set burn speed and the Samsung goes to the allowed speed. Like you said though cat it just might be the Verbs themselves and/or what the burner reads as the ID. I can't see any other answer. I'll be trying those maxells and others suggested by you and Joe Ryan though. I'm out CD-R's. I have enough Verbs from the Holidays still. +R's at that single layer.

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17. September 2009 @ 12:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
QSuite allows the BenQ drives to self adjust . . . the Samsung burners rely on firmware updates . . .

Victor

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@catfreak

yeah my daughter has my old pc with two perfectly good BQ 1650s and operating with QSuite on, going to waste, because she's too lazy to back up her own-I get that job.LOL

That whole QSuite thing was great- now their drives are not too good-shame.

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17. September 2009 @ 13:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Verbatim (95079) White Inkjet Hub Printable 16X DVD-R Media 200 Pack in Cake Box $55.99


http://www.supermediastore.us/product/u/...90917%20Branded
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Any of you guys have experience w/Phillips and Windata DVDs or CDs? Micro Center's having a wild sale on everything and I just saw these in their Paper I received today. Also the Memorex DL's mentioned here and some Verbs as well.

http://microcenter.com/search/search_res...av_supply_media


@ Joe Ryan SuperMediaStore has the TYs listed as providing 100 yrs. data life. That's the Value Line 52x cd-rs they have on sale right now in cake box. Any light on why they might post this as a spec if really not case other than the obvious? Thnx.

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Taiyo Yuden filed certificates in Europe of expected life expectancies. The CD-R was 35 years according to their own claim; the DVD was 50. These limits correspond to data from environmental testing on cyanine and azo-cyanine dyes compared to phthalocyanine (which can't be used for DVDs) and Oxonol dyes.

I suspect that the claimed 100 years is a mistake or oversight on the part of the supplier unless those discs have a different dye. There have been claims of 300 years for gold CD-R discs, but those claims: 1) extrapolate from rather short tests while the most accurate testing takes about 11 months; 2) pertain to some of the discs, not to all discs or even to a majority of them; and 3) do not account for the oxidation of the polycarbonate substrate over that amount of time. I lay awake all night fearful of lost data until I realized that 300 years from now I probably won't like the music I like now. I sleep so much better now.
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That's good info and the last part gave me a good laugh.

K-Mart right now has the Maxell cd-rs for $22.99 100 pack. I think that's reasonable, especially as I'll only pay tax and no shipping.

Now my DJ gets these no-hub and hub printables white cds that code out as 97m32s19f Prodisc Technology Inc. w/ImgBurn. They are $20 bucks for 100. No tax at mom n pop.

We'll these be good not only for music but data as well like a bootable OS? Idk what those Maxells are going to code out as so I passed for now. Would you guys suggest getting a 25 pk. for $9.99 to try out and see their coding? That way I'll have a more better choice if both are good and one place ran out of theirs. Thnx.


@ catfreak I just looked at ABC warehouse online and there was no Prodisc or Maxell. You go to the store where you at? All I saw was Phillips.

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18. September 2009 @ 17:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Prodisc is a highly respected producer of CD-Rs. Although recording of data or audio makes no difference to the disc, audio players are often finicky, particularly car stereo units, probably because of cost cutting measures. I don't think you would have any problems with Prodisc production. They have a good reputation and, in my experience, are less likely than some others to dump B-grade products to no-name labels.
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18. September 2009 @ 17:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thnx Joe. I will go and get the 100 discs for $20.00 bucks. White printable. Can't go wrong. Tys are not going anywhere so I'll go w/these right now.

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18. September 2009 @ 17:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by JoeRyan:
Prodisc is a highly respected producer of CD-Rs. Although recording of data or audio makes no difference to the disc, audio players are often finicky, particularly car stereo units, probably because of cost cutting measures. I don't think you would have any problems with Prodisc production. They have a good reputation and, in my experience, are less likely than some others to dump B-grade products to no-name labels.
My home & truck stereo's will (thankfully) play any audio discs I put into them no matter who made them. On the other hand my Durabrand CD walkman (uses headphones) sometimes has trouble reading the occasional CMC or Ritek disc although it reads most of them but it never has trouble with Tayio Yuden or Prodisc CDR's

Several years ago a local Blockbuster store sold off a whole bunch of Memorex 32x Cool Colors CDR's that were the same color on both sides of the disc. Something like 5 or 6 different colors including black. Bought one 25 pack for a dollar & took it home for testing. When they ID'd as Prodisc I went right back & cleaned that Blockbuster store out of all of it's 25 packs & would up with 1000 discs. 75% were burned as audiodiscs & they all played perfectly. Even the ones I used as data discs were good.

About 2 years ago there were codes on Maxell CD & DVD packaging for the 50 & 100 packs of both CDR's and DVDR's that somebody here at Afterdawn was able to decode who the manufacturers were. One code was CMC, another was Ritek & the 3rd code was for Prodisc. While all 3 manufacturers discs burned fine (they were 16x DVD's & 48x CDR's) I bought all the Prodisc I could find first as I needed them then bought what remained of the Ritek as I also needed those over time. About 3 months later all the Maxell codes I could find were CMC & I don't know who makes discs for Maxell now as I only buy inkjet printable media instead of the labeled kind that has to have a sharpie for labeling them.

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