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So has anybody tried to make a ISO of a 360 game yet with decrypter yet? what happened?
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chedabob
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12. December 2005 @ 22:03 |
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for all of you idiots out there:
When you copy a game disc, it changes its media. so the media flag on the first disc is set to "pressed". as soon as you copy it, the flag stays the same, but now it isnt a pressed disc. so now the xbox 360 wont read it cos its flagged as pressed but the disc isnt saying its pressed.
Assuming you could get around that, youve then got the security thats applied to each .xbe or .xex . when steve tells you that the security doesnt run when u run king kong hes lying. it runs on every single .xex and .xbe. no key, no application. simple as.
steve: dont you think if you could do it like that, it would have been done ages ago on xbox 1?
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steddyman
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12. December 2005 @ 22:03 |
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I am going to dump one of my own original 360 disks tonight then try and movie it to the King Kong folder as Steve suggested.
I am FTPing the OXM disk from my Xbox at the moment.
I'll also see if I can buy some DL disks at lunch.
So far Steve has not said anything about the structure or info on the disk that I have not validated so I have no reason to believe he is lying. Also, this is an Xbox 1 format disk and yet the 360 is loading it.
Finally, the original dumped are signed (the xex files are) so the Xbox has no reason to reject them unless it has a higher level disk protection. I can write Xbox 1 disks to this may well work has Steve suggests.
Steddy
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stevednp3
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13. December 2005 @ 00:04 |
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Excellent Im glad more of you are now in the position to try this now you have the mag. You shouldnt have to replace the demo's for now just do a straight new burn of the demo disk after copying from your xbox 1 and at least get that copy booting and it will prove it works.
If your first burn dosent work post your UDF Nero settings here and I'll compare them with mine.
Finally this will come to an end soon....
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 04:14 |
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steve I'm losing a lot of faith in you man cause I did what you said, and burnt a straight copy of the demo to a DVDR (4.5gb) and that still didn't work. It recognizes it as a game but it says the following:
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This disc is unreadable, try the following:
1. Make sure the region of the disc matches the region of the system.
2. Make sure the disc is clean and has no smudges.
3. Restart the system.
For more help, visit http://www.xbox.com/support/
Again, I burnt to a DVD-R (4.5Gb) because I don't have any dual layer. I burnt with Nero in "DVDROM (UDF)" mode. I noticed there was a (UDF/ISO) mode however I did just the UDF one since you said you did that.
I also tried burning it twice, once in UDF 1.02 mode, and once with the checkbox checked that say something like "Video compatible with XBox console" which grayed out the other UDF settings. I then loaded the demo disc data and burnt at 4x.
Again, the 360 recognizes that its a game, because in the "tray" button on the dash, which represents whats in the tray, it says "Play Game", however I get that error as I described above, which apparently is the same thing it says if you try to play any of these copied games.
So for now steve, unless you give some more info, I am going to have to call BS until further notice.
Try burning a DVDR (4.5gb) of just the demo, with your UDF settings, and let us know what happens.
EDIT: Oh and steddy, btw, this disc is both xbox1 AND xbox360 format. It's not JUST xbox1 format. It has a default.xbe and default.xex in the root of the disc.
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ShepPSP
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13. December 2005 @ 04:45 |
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Pur- What brand disc are you using for your burn? Just want to know.
Steve - Want to know also what brand you are using because I have not bought DL b4 and what to know what to buy.
Would like to see Steve try a DVD5 burn if possible. And Pur what are you deleting to get this to fit to DVD5?
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 04:52 |
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ShepPSP it fits on a DVD5 pretty much. I think i deleted like 200Mb worth of movies, which was like 1 movie. The bigger size he was talking about was with Condemned on the disc.
I was using a sony DVDr disc. Again, the media doesn't matter right now because as I said, it recognized it as a game, just a copied game, same as if you try to burn NFS:MW or Condemned and put it in your 360.
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stevednp3
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13. December 2005 @ 04:53 |
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Have faith !!!
Last night I reburnt another copy with only the demo files but this time moved the king kong demo into the other folder and vice verse and it still worked.
I'm using Phillips Daul Layer Media, it has really dark die, but I doubt thats the problem as the 360 is good at reading all types.
I really wouldnt waste my time lying - honest. Its does nothing for me.
In work at the moment, but will post all my nero settings tonight.
Try Burning with nothing deleted first, then you are doing the same as me, I think the demo disk links to all the movies as it plays them once booted as icons.
Also I will try deleting the movies or saving them as 0 byte files and burn to 4.7GB tonight
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ShepPSP
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13. December 2005 @ 05:06 |
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Is this being discussed anywhere else? I have looked around to see if other sites were trying it and could find nothing. Been patiently waiting since yesterday. Keep up the good tests guys. Hope Pur can get this figured out. I hope your right Steve.
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stevednp3
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13. December 2005 @ 05:17 |
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yes there is another 2 posts on xbox-scene, but nobody else has tried it yet, too busy saying 'cant be done'.
I'm getting to the point where I dont really care anymore, sooner or later someone will figure it out.
Spend less time posting to this forum and play on my 360
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 05:20 |
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as I said, i'm not putting it out of the picture yet. I didn't have a DL disc to burn it to so I had to rip a few movise to make it fit on a DVD5. It wasn't a direct 1-1 copy.
Until I try on a DVD-DL disc, I am not making a final conclusion. I would just like to know the specific UDF settings you used because wasting a DL disc isn't like wasting a normal DVDR DVD5 disc lol.
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ShepPSP
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13. December 2005 @ 05:24 |
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You going to go get a DL tonight? You are 1 step away from proving disproving this. I would but you are so many steps closer then I am.
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 05:30 |
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I'll see, I may. My friend might get some today also so I'll let you all know regardless if I try it or my friend tries it.
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gamemaste
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13. December 2005 @ 06:28 |
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there are many different reasons why it works on steves xbox 360 and not purs. one, maybe pal and the other USA which could mean a big difference. But what i dont get is how u can run ANY copied cd without using a CAMERCIAL brand (i suck at spelling :( ) cd burner and getting it to run on your xbox?
isnt there a part of the cd that a normal cd burner cant write or somthing?
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xRadic
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13. December 2005 @ 07:05 |
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Steve, can you please make a video? I realize people will jump up and scream that they see the editing or whatever, but hell, make a video anyway. Do you have a digital camera? That would be easiest. You can put it on putfile.com.
For all of you stating that it is EXTREMELY unlikely something like this would happen:
I would have to agree with you. Nothing like this ever happened for the XBOX 1, and I wouldn't think it would be this easy on the XBOX 360. One would logically conclude that modifying the contents of the DVD would change the digital signature. Without a proper digital signature, you can not run anything. Furthermore, it is not possible to resign the DVD without access to the private RSA key. Cracking this key is nearly impossible. While these statements are 100% correct, there could also be a bug in the signature check/legacy emulation system on the XBOX 360 itself. After all, MS did rush the 360 to the shelves to make it in time for Christmas.
edit: Steve - Also (if you can and are willing), can you remove as much content off of the demo DVD as possible and make an ISO file? Do you think you can make it under 100 MB? This might help. You can host your files at www.rapidshare.de. Distributing the file as a torrent might work well also. I don't have an XBOX 360 yet, but I would like to see if other people get it to work.
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gamemaste
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13. December 2005 @ 08:24 |
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xRadic
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13. December 2005 @ 08:50 |
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gamesmaste ~
If you done a bit of research, you would find out that this process is not logically possible. However, sometimes it's good to realize that "logic" isn't everything, and some things are illogical. If steve is telling the truth, he just found a major bug in the XBOX 360. The process he is using isn't supposed to work from the technical point of view, but you never know until you try.
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 08:56 |
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I just want steve to try burning the demo to a DVD5 DVDR disc by removing a few movies, and telling us what his result is.
I also want him to tell us his exact settings in Nero ... perhaps he can take screen shots of his exact settings so there is no confusion.
As the guy above me said, technically this is %100 BS, however there are always holes which could be what he found, if he's telling the truth.
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gamemaste
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13. December 2005 @ 09:15 |
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i just found somthing realll interesting
"The emulator for first generation games can be updated via an official Microsoft download burned to CD by the user, though the CDs? content will be encrypted and signed with public key cryptography. The boot ROM is stored inside the CPU"
http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000763069745/
this means you can burn a cd that will run on a xbox 360 :)
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steddyman
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13. December 2005 @ 09:25 |
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Just a quick update.
My Xbox 1 is one of those that is REALLY fussy about reading dual layer disks and the FTP keeps screwing up part way through. I am going to try dumping it to the HD with DVD2XBOX and then FTPing from there. That has worked for me in the past with some commercial releases.
For all the people talking about the digital signature being different on a non-original disk. The Xbox signs the executable files (.xex) and these files DO contain the digital signature even if they are copied from one location to another. As far as I know the DVD itself does not contain a signature as this would require a massive amount of processing to check. The Xbox 360 would have to read and hash EVERY file on disk then check it to the signature. Thats just not feasible given the disk boot times.
Steddy
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steddyman
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13. December 2005 @ 10:17 |
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Dump to HD worked successfully. Now transferring the contents of the disk via FTP to my PC.
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 10:21 |
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steddy are you going to try and burn it to a DL disc?
and where has steve been during all of today's discussion?
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ShepPSP
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13. December 2005 @ 10:22 |
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Cool keep us updated.
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stevednp3
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13. December 2005 @ 10:25 |
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Right:
Burnt to a DVD5 by deleting the movies and some of the contents of the others demos and wont boot. Gives the normal error message when inserting a backup. Also if I listen the the disk spinning it seams to be working much harder than when a DVD9 is inserted.
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The noise of the disk spinning is louder, and it keeps spinning throughout the error message being displayed, although nothing happens
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My Nero Settings:
NO Multisession
UDF - Sparing Partition
UDF 1.50
Label - DEMO
Dates - Use current date and time
Everything else seams to be normal settings
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Sorry guys Im in the UK a few hours ahead or behind and have to drive home from work etc, but dont worry I an't going nowhere
Yep using Nero 7 - version 7.0.0.0
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pur
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13. December 2005 @ 10:32 |
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Hmm ... thats pretty interesting. And you are using Nero 7 you said?
And what do you mean by "it's trying harder" because when I put in the DVD5 version, and it doesn't load, it doesn't "try" anything because it doesnt try to load the disc.
EDIT: also, what games have you burnt this way and gotten to work? Can you also just take some type of vid capture of this? I can host it on my webspace for you.
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chedabob
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13. December 2005 @ 10:37 |
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LOL, cant you see he is lying?
He just wants some attention. And hes succedding if you keep asking him.
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