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So has anybody tried to make a ISO of a 360 game yet with decrypter yet? what happened?
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pur
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14. December 2005 @ 12:02 |
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Well steddy you are the only other UK person out here. Maybe steve had the same mistake as you and saw it as 6.7Gb in XBmc but not the actual files being that size on his disc.
Try to get some DL discs and let us know what happens. As I said I'll see if I can post from home but it all depends on my network connection.
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steddyman
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14. December 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Actually, looking at the figure of 6.7GB in XBMC I think this is showing the amount of FREE space. All of the other drives are showing the free space so why should that drive be any different. Obviously its calculation is wrong, but this is a dual-layer disk.
Steddy
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IMushroom
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14. December 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Use r common sence and u know it wont work. Security, mediachecks, flags, etc. The demo might boot, but the iso: NEVER
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 12:07 |
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Mushroom, it is quite possible for an .xex to not contain a media check (e.g. demos downloaded on hard drive, dashboard updates). While it's possible that the .xex itself doesn't contain a media check, I wouldn't think MS would be stupid enough to sign it in such a way.... but then again, it's MS. They aren't the smartest with security.
That's what is a lot different from the XBOX to the 360... with the default XBOX 1 BIOS, media checks are required on ANYTHING you run. You couldn't burn a cd to update your dashboard. Now you can :). We realize you don't believe it, and neither do we. It would be nice to see if it really worked, wouldn't it?
However, I do believe the game Condemned itself would have a media check when trying to load the game. I would think the media check would fail, and the game would not be able to load. This is the part I have trouble understanding. Maybe MS is messing up signing .xex's? Who knows. It sure would cause a lot of people getting fired at MS.
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BlueCop
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14. December 2005 @ 12:08 |
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Ok this thread is very interesting.
somethings that people have not mentioned that might be relevant.
I am only going to speak of xbox1 because i don't have a 360 yet.
there are media flags in xbes that determine what media that xbe can be run from(harddrive, single layer dvd, dual layer dvd, ect,dvdr,). for example there are xbox demos on some retail video dvds(incredible hulk i think is one). I know people have successfully booted these on burned discs by changing the book type to DVD-ROM when burning to DVD+R. We must rememeber + and - are different specs and with the + it is possible to change the booktype to look like a standard pressed DVD on certain drives. do a search on google about it booktype and DVD+R for more info. If you do a search on xbox-scene you will find out about how this was done. They changed the booktype to match the media flag in the xbe(which was DVD-rom,dual layer i think) and the xbe signature was correct so the xbox would boot the disc. The reason is because the xbe had media flags that it could be booted from a DVD-rom and byt changing the booktype to match it would work. This wouldn't work for normal games because their media flag is different for non-UDF discs. If i stated something incorrectly here please correct me but i didn't feel like searching for the information again so i am writing from memory.
that being said. I am sure there are media flags in the xex just like xbes. perhaps this being a special dual disc for xbox1 and xbox360 their are media flags that allow it to boot off a DL+R when using Nero 7 it might automaticly change the booktype to DVD-ROM because it make the discs more compatible with most DVD players. i haven't used Nero 7 so i can't confirm that but i have changed media flags useing dvddecrypter on +R discs. perhaps their is a flaw in the way the the xex is loaded from the demos default.xex.
Another usefull bits of information would be to list the DVD media, DVD recorder(because different ones change booktype differently), and the kernel version your xbox is running. upon connecting the us launch xbox360 to live it will update to a newer kernel/dashboard. perhaps the orginal launch kernel has this flaw and the new one doesn't. all possibilities. So lets try to replicate it exactly.
Well i hope that might shed some light on what might be happening. anyone care to correct me on anything i have misstated because like i said before its from memory. i just though of that spoke quote "if memory serves". anyway im gona wax idiotic if i keep typeing.
Lets get a copy of that demo disc posted to usenet or torrent please. it would be really usefull.
also stevednp3 if you do make a torrent i would upload it to someone else to get them to seed it to avoid them tracking your ip. i am willing to do this because i have some shell accounts and i will post to usenet for everyone to download.
I really hope this is true =)
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IMushroom
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14. December 2005 @ 12:12 |
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It's as dumb as: i'm gonna try to put an gamecube iso in it, because, well, if u don't try it, u don't know it, please..
Don't waste ur time
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BlueCop
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14. December 2005 @ 12:18 |
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IMushroom: why are you stillin reading this thread? no one cares if you think its a waste of time.
who is more foolish? the fool or the fool who follows him around reading his posts.
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 12:19 |
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Only it's a XBOX 1/360 Hybrid DVD designed to play on an XBOX 360.... Go read some x-scene posts you doubter.
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IMushroom
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14. December 2005 @ 12:22 |
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I just didn't want u fools to waste ur time, thats all. But since ur to ignorant, go ahead. Ur gonna say: bleep, i wished i had listen to someone with a common sense.
Laterz
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 12:24 |
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Some people enjoy tinkering.... whether anything is accomplished or not, all that is lost is a couple DVD's.
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I know people have successfully booted these on burned discs by changing the book type to DVD-ROM when burning to DVD+R. We must rememeber + and - are different specs and with the + it is possible to change the booktype to look like a standard pressed DVD on certain drives. do a search on google about it booktype and DVD+R for more info.
I haven't heard of this information.... can you provide another source? Sounds interesting. I do know that .xex's can run from burned cd's/dvd's as dashboard updates can be done by downloading an xex from: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardscompatibility.htm#download .
This is what is unique about the 360. It all depends on how the .xex file is signed :P. This is starting to make sense!
Wouldn't this mean there are also multiple private keys?
Also, I think someone mentioned this earlier, but if the .xex is signed in a way that doesn't require a media check, modifying the contents of the DVD shouldn't effect the way the .xex file boots (correct me if I'm wrong). Why? Because the XBOX 360 would then have have to do a hash check of the whole disk to verify if any of the contents have changed. If something like this were to be implemented a game would take over 5 minutes to start.
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steddyman
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14. December 2005 @ 12:46 |
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Ok, got my new DL drive installed and about to burn it in exactly the same way as Steve. Lets hope this one flies. The original demo disk IS a dual layer disk, but it is less than 4.3GB so maybe this is a requirement of the 360.
Also the talk about media checks is interesting. One very interesting thing is the KingKong Demo is in D:\KingKong, but all the configuration files in that DIR point to D:\ so the demo disk is obviously creating a Virtual Drive for the purpose of running the demos. Maybe this is what is bypassing the media check.
Wish me luck.
Steddy
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stevednp3
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14. December 2005 @ 12:47 |
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Guys I'm goner have to get out of this as things are getting heated my end, I have arranged something with steddyman to backup my story.
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 12:51 |
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I would like to see this come to a close. :)
Make sure to burn it slow.....
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tekno5
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14. December 2005 @ 12:54 |
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I have found 3 xbox1.xbes on the uk disc 'OXM 50 EURO REDUCED 2'
and I looked at the media flags in them with
'DEXBE v0.5 by Hartec / Dextrose - public build 2002-11-11'
all 3 say
'Media Types - XBOX DVD' only and
'Regions - Elsewhere' only
no other flags e.t.c.
Just to recap on the flags I did get this disc to play on my
xbox1 unlocked hard drive without changing any flags or content
I just FlashFXP'd to my PC then FlashFXP'd to my xbox1 hard drive.
Hope this helps
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BlueCop
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14. December 2005 @ 13:17 |
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ok there are some misconceptions here. the signing is of the xbe alone. not of all the data on the disc. that isn't to say they couldn't implement a signing scheme in the xbe to verify files upon loading them.
also the media flags are included when calculating the signature so change the media flags then the signature will fail.
that is interesting about the configuration files pointing to D:\ perhaps MS left a flaw for us =)
Parhaps the xbox and the xbox 360 discs weren't supposed to be able to boot on a single disc or perhaps it was never planed this way. So when releasing the demo disc they might have had to change the media flag on the default.xex to boot wheree ever it was launch even on an xbox1 disc. like the when you burn a UDF disc of all the contents of a standard xbox dvd is would load on a xbox if the media flag was correct. It just checks what the disc format is after checking the the signature and then the media flags.
so we know the x360 drive can read orginal xbox discs and xbox360 discs but the orginal xbox drive can't read 360 discs. so they formated it like an old style xbox dvd which perhaps wasn't one of the media flags planed for xex thus forcing them to leave the media flag off perhaps where it could boot from anywhere? this is all speculation because im bored and can't get the disc or a 360 yet
Anyone willing to rip a copy of this disc for me and send it my way email me at BlueCop@hushmail.com. I will get it posted to usenet at least and try to get a torrent up somewhere.
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14. December 2005 @ 13:24 |
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as Bluecop said, Maybe using DVD+R DL and setting the book type will help fool the media check.
The discs themselves can not have digital signatures, only the files. If the complete discs contents were checked then the emulator updates would have to be distributed as iso/raw images, as theres no way to guarantee that all of the different burning software would produce exactly the same output when you simply burn files onto a disc. The file contents would be the same, but the file structures would vary slightly.
I'm still holding out to hear whether this works or not, because so far I havent heard anything that sounds completely implausible.
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 13:29 |
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Yea, that's right about the digital signatures.... I think I wasn't clear or mixed myself up. The digital signature is within the .xex/.xbe files themselves. Thanks for clearning that up.
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steddyman
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14. December 2005 @ 13:54 |
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Well I burnt a Infiniti DVD+R DL disk at 2.4x using UDF 1.5 and a Sparable partition in Nero 7 and my 360 won't even recognize the disk. It doesn't report the disk is dirty, it just reports 'Unrecognized Disk' on the little picture of the Disk tray in the Dashboard.
I will have one final try writing a Xbox format disk that is DL tomorrow, but I don't hold out much hope for me. It may be just the 360 does not like these Inifiniti disks at all but I suspect it doesn't like a UDF 1.5 disk.
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BlueCop
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14. December 2005 @ 13:55 |
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also i forgot to mention all the pi dumps of 360 games are available on usenet at alt.binaries.the-terminal
here is a list
Project Gotham Racing 3
FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup 3
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
Perfect Dark Zero
all PAL
I haven't look much at the others but i was watching the Videos out of Perfect Dark Zero using rad game tools from http://www.radgametools.com/ It is the Bink format which is common.
Watching these Vids is out of bordem mostly waiting for someone who might email me(BlueCop@hushmail.com) about geting a copy of the UK Disc.
EDIT: upon closer inspection even more have been posted there. i am updating the headers to see what all they have posted now.
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 14:02 |
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Steve, if you are still around can you get that torrent going?
BlueCop, can you download Condemned and find a way to seed a torrent? I'll check Verizon's USENET and see if it's there. I got FIOS so the download should be fast and then I can help seed.
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tekno5
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14. December 2005 @ 14:05 |
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call me dumb but how do I get to usenet alt.binaries.the-terminal
I looked on google found some groups to do with usenet but I am new to this so I then typed alt.binaries.the-terminal but then I was lost
Please help
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xRadic
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14. December 2005 @ 14:10 |
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Tekno, what's your ISP?
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BlueCop
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14. December 2005 @ 14:13 |
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tekno5: if you have a copy of the UK Disc then email me and i will explain how to use usenet. it would be conditional on if your isp includes usenet access as part of its service. The other option is to subscribe to a usenet provider like giganews or newhostings.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE email me so we might be able to work out something to get the UK Demo Disc out. I don't live in the UK so it would be impossible for me otherwise. Thanks
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tekno5
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14. December 2005 @ 14:29 |
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okay I see your problems of not having the uk disc
which I can get hold of
I also do not have an xbox360 game download to try
and then make the disc to play on an xbox360
I could sell the original disc with the mag to people on ebay
and make $$$ just for fun
but just wait and think.
I could verify that this disc and method works or not and save you time and anyone else $$$
Regards
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14. December 2005 @ 14:32 |
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