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PS3 compatible video creation thread (tsMuxeR etc.).
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phdeez
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16. December 2008 @ 20:19 |
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Originally posted by phdeez:
...I just want it to stream through TVersity without having to re-encode on the fly, since the computer I'm streaming from isn't the best machine but has alot of HD space.
Just a testament to processor speed: Started RipBot264, running at 2.65 fps... ETA: >24hrs (using CQ @ 22 or 24, not 2-pass]
a damn shame
I'll let it run, but are there any other methods out there?
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17. December 2008 @ 08:34 |
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Originally posted by phdeez:
Originally posted by phdeez:
...I just want it to stream through TVersity without having to re-encode on the fly, since the computer I'm streaming from isn't the best machine but has alot of HD space.
Just a testament to processor speed: Started RipBot264, running at 2.65 fps... ETA: >24hrs (using CQ @ 22 or 24, not 2-pass]
a damn shame
I'll let it run, but are there any other methods out there?
What CPU are you running? It sounds like a single core with a clock of about 2.0Ghz as a guess... ?
CQ is not the most recommended way to encode video as you will get quite eratic variance in bitrate range (sudden spikes from low to high bitrates). 2 pass is always the most efficient way to encode as you allow the encoder to analyse the video first, which will allow bitrate to be allocated for optimum quality.
I use MeGUI to encode with my x264 profile set to what I believe is the right balance where best quality meets tolerable encoding times. If I was to further tweak quality settings, encoding time would increase quite exponentially with minimal quality gains.
I run a Quad Core (Q6600 overclocked to 3.0Ghz), a 2 pass 1080p encode usually takes about 8 - 10 hours.
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alcOre
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17. December 2008 @ 11:21 |
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phdeez
HD encodes take that long on even a dual core if the processor is older. I was running an older athlon 64 dual core and my encodes were going at about 1.7 FPS. This was encoding from 1920x1080 to 1280x720.
I went out and bought the same chip as Ryu coincidentally. Q6600 2.4 overclocked to 3.0 Ghz. I've got en encode running right now on that machine running at 8.19 FPS.
You could reduce settings in the profile to get faster speeds but I wouldn't suggest doing so. The loss in quality to me is unacceptable.
I too use MeGUI 2 pass encoding with the bluray profile.
Honestly though CQ encoding, IMO, isn't a bad way of encoding. Not trying to contradict Ryu as he's a senior member and I'm sure has more experience than I, but from what I've read it doesn't necessarily give you bad results, its just unpredictable in terms of size. Its gonna be a faster encode then with 2-Pass. CQ still does a type of analysis on the video. It analyzes the frame to determine what bitrate it needs on that frame or sequence of frames to keep X quality. X quality is the quality you choose in the encoder settings. I've seen CQ encodes give better results on certain movies where 2-Pass encodes couldn't give enough bitrate to a certain scene. Like Finding Nemo for example, in the scene with the turtles. But that's when you are "bitrate starved." If you don't need to lower the bitrate to a really low rate then CQ mode is fine. Both methods have their uses. If you don't care about size and just want a specific quality goal, use CQ as it'll get you that quality and do it in one pass. CQ @ 18 is what most people recommend to have the quality difference between output and source be almost indistinguishable (during playback, not comparing frame by frame.) Use 2-Pass if you're trying to have the output be a specific size, like I am.
Again, RipBot264 or MeGUI or any other GUI for x264 are going to give you the same speed given the same encoding settings on the same machine. They are just different GUI's for transcoding.
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olio666
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17. December 2008 @ 15:24 |
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17. December 2008 @ 15:38 |
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alcOre, with CQ there is no way to guarantee Blu-ray compliancy. If that is not a concern then it could be an option.
I started this thread with PS3 compatibility as the main focus not only Blu-ray compliancy so I guess CQ should be a welcome option, it's just not one I would use.
In regards to your comments on RipBot264 & MeGUI. MeGUI offers a lot more control over the x264 encoder. This is why I prefer to use that. However, I feel that RipBot264 would be a better choice for those newer to video encoding whilst still offerring some advanced options for those that know how to use them.
Originally posted by alcOre:
HD encodes take that long on even a dual core if the processor is older. I was running an older athlon 64 dual core and my encodes were going at about 1.7 FPS. This was encoding from 1920x1080 to 1280x720.
I remember when I previously used my single core laptop for 1080p encoding via MeGUI. It took 3 days! Waaa...
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pp56825
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17. December 2008 @ 16:16 |
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Hi, I'm new on this forum and i see very good discusion here about making playing mkv on ps3, i know that i should first read whole thread but it is realy long so maybe someone can tell me what is the best & fast option/tools to change mkv to avi or any other format with subtitles. on which page of this forum i can read about this.
i have try to make avi using this mkv2avi but it take ages. also i try to use mkv2vob and save to avi but again quite long process with multi steps to do.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Best Regards
Peter
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alcOre
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17. December 2008 @ 22:43 |
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Ryu,
agreed its not the best option for bluray compliance because the bitrate can go over limit but I was just throwing it out there that it doesn't necessarily give poor results when used correctly. And yes, RipBot is what I would recommend to anyone just jumping into the h264 transcoding scene. I'm in the same boat as you though...I use MeGUI and a number of other tools as opposed to RipBot. I prefer the greater control. I do however open RipBot every time right before I transcode since RipBot has the only Bluray disc compatible bitrate calculator built into the application that I know of. My encodes are from bluray 1080p source material to 720p video in AVCHD bluray compatible format. I load up my avs, the audio, and the srt file, set output size to 8152 MB in Bluray format, and let ripbot figure out my video's bitrate. I then input that into MeGUI.
Yes, AVCHD discs will play dts audio. From what I gather, there's really not much difference between a straight up bluray disc and an AVCHD disc other than the medium. I'm not sure if AVCHD disks support menus like bluray does, but I'm almost positive they do. I just dont have scenarist, so I can't test it.
Ryu, do you have/own a PS3? If you do, I'd like some feedback on an issue I'm having. I posted about it in another thread on this forum.
I bought my PS3 like 2 weeks ago. Updated to firmware 2.52. My AVCHD discs worked like a charm. But now with firmware 2.53, if the AVCHD disc has AC3 audio (dolby digital) the sound is really low. I have to crank up my reciever's volume ALL the way up to hear it. I know it's not a setting on my reciever or my PS3. This was directly after firmware update. Here's another interesting thing I noticed. If I forward seek said problematic AVCHD disk @ 1.5x speed, I can hear the audio still (obviously at 1.5x speed though) and its volume is normal. I hit play and it goes back down again. Do you have the same issue by chance?
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phdeez
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18. December 2008 @ 04:22 |
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Thanks for the help guys. After 24h I copied the 00001.m2ts file to my TVersity sharing directory and it streamed like a champ. I'm actually running an Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ [2.0Ghz]. I also changed the CQ profile from 22 to 18 and now its processing another mkv at a whopping 3.26 fps.
So, to recap, I should first try tsmuxer to re-package the .mkv to .m2ts [and not change the profile since the PS3 supports 5.1 now?], if that fails to stream use RipBot (or MeGUI).
Of course, if my audio is DTS, I need to use eac3to to convert it...
Thanks again for the help.
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18. December 2008 @ 09:55 |
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Originally posted by phdeez:
Thanks for the help guys. After 24h I copied the 00001.m2ts file to my TVersity sharing directory and it streamed like a champ. I'm actually running an Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ [2.0Ghz]. I also changed the CQ profile from 22 to 18 and now its processing another mkv at a whopping 3.26 fps.
So, to recap, I should first try tsmuxer to re-package the .mkv to .m2ts [and not change the profile since the PS3 supports 5.1 now?], if that fails to stream use RipBot (or MeGUI).
Of course, if my audio is DTS, I need to use eac3to to convert it...
Thanks again for the help.
That seems about right. May I suggest something though, ditch TVersity, it's a resource hog. I use Cyberlink Media Pro to stream/copy my m2ts files... it's leagues beyond TVeristy in regards to streaming.
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Morgan78
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18. December 2008 @ 14:41 |
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hiya am a novice at this
started burning 2.5gb files tsmuxer to mt2s then image burner on a normal 4.7gb disc everything fine.
when i do 4.5 gb i brought some DVD+R dual layer discs to give me extra capacity so end is not chopped off same process tsmuxer then imageburner but i keep getting an error and then when i put in ps3 nothing comes up at all any ideas cheers
remember i am a total novice
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KajNrig
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18. December 2008 @ 20:24 |
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It could simply be that your DVD burner isn't capable of burning dual-layer DVDs.
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Darkhelm
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18. December 2008 @ 21:30 |
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Hey Guys.
I have a problem with both TSmuxer and MKV2Vob.. No picture ONLY sound!
Could i be missing a codec??? Tried 3 different movies, same result!
(I try to make a M2ts file, 4 gigs in size and using X264 slow function) but after hooking up my external hd to my PS3 it only plays the sound!!!!
By the the way, why is Mkv2Vob sooo Slooow compared to TsMuxer?????
Thanks
Darkhelmet.
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Morgan78
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18. December 2008 @ 21:38 |
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no i defiently got a dual layer burner
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ejf071189
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22. December 2008 @ 12:20 |
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Can anyone answer why whenever I use tsmuxer, the resulting file can't play sound in media player classic? I have ffdshow, ac3filter, and haali installed and mkv's play fine, but in mpc, no matter how i try to enable ac3filter, still no sound...
I'm trying to ditch vlc for mpc and this is the one thing in my way.
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22. December 2008 @ 16:22 |
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Originally posted by ejf071189:
Can anyone answer why whenever I use tsmuxer, the resulting file can't play sound in media player classic? I have ffdshow, ac3filter, and haali installed and mkv's play fine, but in mpc, no matter how i try to enable ac3filter, still no sound...
I'm trying to ditch vlc for mpc and this is the one thing in my way.
Disable AC3filter (or uninstall) and let FFDshow do the decoding, you may need to reconfigure FFDshow to decode with Libav.
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ejf071189
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22. December 2008 @ 21:58 |
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So there's no way to have it use ac3filter? Why would it not be able to do this?
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qVAMPIREp
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22. December 2008 @ 22:48 |
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Need help hard coding .sup file from Bluray rip to .m2ts file. What is the best way to do this?
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ejf071189
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22. December 2008 @ 23:12 |
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In the ffdshow audio decoder configuration, the only option for ac3 is liba52, no libavcodec. Changing to this didn't seem to solve the problem...
Also, when I disable ac3 in external filters in mpc, should I also disable it in the internal filters section under source and transform filters? Is there anywhere else I need to disable it? (I'd like to keep it installed)
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lamenting
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22. December 2008 @ 23:24 |
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Originally posted by qVAMPIREp:
Need help hard coding .sup file from Bluray rip to .m2ts file. What is the best way to do this?
convert .sup to .srt with SupRip or similar.
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23. December 2008 @ 06:25 |
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Originally posted by lamenting:
Originally posted by qVAMPIREp:
Need help hard coding .sup file from Bluray rip to .m2ts file. What is the best way to do this?
convert .sup to .srt with SupRip or similar.
SupRip can not handle BD format subtitles. Besides qVAMPIREp asked for help to hardcode them not convert them. However, a conversion will need to be done in order to use AVIsynth to frameserve the subtitles.
1) Convert .sup to .srt with SUPread.
2) Use VSFilter via AVIsynth to call on your subtitle to be frameserved into your encoding application.
3) Encode as normal.
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alcOre
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23. December 2008 @ 11:58 |
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Ryu...
SubRip cannot handle BD format subtitles...but lamenting said SupRip, which can handle BD format .sup subtitles. In my experience, SupRip works better than SupRead.
As to the original question, Follow Ryu's advice (excepting that you can use SupRip if you like to convert to .srt...like I said its better from my experience and the author of SupRead (Pelican9) seems to not be currently updating SupRead or replying to any posts in the SupRead forum.)
Side Note : All you need is vsfilter avisynth plugin but if you want any type of control over the look/position/style of the subs, download VobSub. You only need to install the SubReSync tool from that package. Fire up SubReSync and open up your .srt file. You can then change the font/size/style/position. When you're done a .style file will be created with the same file name as the .srt subtitle file. VSFilter will see the .style file (I think that's the extension) and apply the settings you made.
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23. December 2008 @ 15:32 |
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Originally posted by alcOre:
Ryu...
SubRip cannot handle BD format subtitles...but lamenting said SupRip, which can handle BD format .sup subtitles. In my experience, SupRip works better than SupRead.
As to the original question, Follow Ryu's advice (excepting that you can use SupRip if you like to convert to .srt...like I said its better from my experience and the author of SupRead (Pelican9) seems to not be currently updating SupRead or replying to any posts in the SupRead forum.)
Side Note : All you need is vsfilter avisynth plugin but if you want any type of control over the look/position/style of the subs, download VobSub. You only need to install the SubReSync tool from that package. Fire up SubReSync and open up your .srt file. You can then change the font/size/style/position. When you're done a .style file will be created with the same file name as the .srt subtitle file. VSFilter will see the .style file (I think that's the extension) and apply the settings you made.
My bad, I didn't look close enough. You are right SupRip is the better program. I completely forgot about that nice little application. Thank you. :-)
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23. December 2008 @ 16:18 |
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Originally posted by ejf071189:
In the ffdshow audio decoder configuration, the only option for ac3 is liba52, no libavcodec. Changing to this didn't seem to solve the problem...
Also, when I disable ac3 in external filters in mpc, should I also disable it in the internal filters section under source and transform filters? Is there anywhere else I need to disable it? (I'd like to keep it installed)
I'm not going to complicate things anymore for you. Honestly I do not view my movies on my PC, however I do decode/encode AC3. My configuration is as follow;
Haali Media Splitter
FFDshow
CCCP (not K-lite)
MPC home Cinema (testing video/audio)
AC3 2.0 all the way up to TrueHD plays fine on my MPC Home Cinema. BTW, do you have a codec pack installed? CCCP or K-Lite?
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ejf071189
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23. December 2008 @ 16:40 |
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Quote:
AC3 2.0 all the way up to TrueHD plays fine on my MPC Home Cinema. BTW, do you have a codec pack installed? CCCP or K-Lite?
No I don't have either of these packs...I thought ffdshow was sufficient by itself. I'll try out cccp.
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ejf071189
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23. December 2008 @ 17:15 |
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Using mpc home cinema seemed to fix the problem.
Thanks.
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