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David88
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13. July 2004 @ 11:14 |
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OK. Let cool down everyone.
I may have some disagreement with some of Naked Geeks comment. But one of the point I do agree with him is that e*N*t do sell discs which are inferior quality and he does not buy direct from Ritek. We must admit the owner is smart and knows how to play with different branding. Right now, he is selling the red one cheap and the wuality is good. But later when everyone trust this brand, we see something different coming out.
As for the question on Ricoh and Piodata, they both are Ritek. I have seen Ritek certificate confirming Piodata are of A grade Ritek discs.
Let not get too personal on this issues. Let just talk and discuss the facts and figures only.
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NakedGeek
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13. July 2004 @ 13:27 |
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Firstly, as I said, I have the information directly from their supplier, e-net already threatened to sue me and got no-where.
Secondly Singulus productions lines are anything but cheap, maybe you need to do YOUR research, I already have.
Alexander Hanff
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Dave22
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13. July 2004 @ 15:06 |
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Well if you are so well funded and a major player. release a new disk get the price right and I will sell them. I have sold 4 different new sorts of disk of the web and in the end there was always a problem with supply or QA issue's. The only disks I can trust are disk sold through 3 major suppliers in the UK of which E-N*t are one of them
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jase
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13. July 2004 @ 17:00 |
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Trust? Is that why some e-net lines sold by a local shop around here have a 30% return rate?
They're cheap, and deals are offered. The company are a bunch of sharks to work with and their discs are often complete garbage. e-net managed to supply the only batch of unusable Ricoh-MID media I've ever come across, and then they managed to do it twice.
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NakedGeek
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14. July 2004 @ 02:48 |
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Dave22,
It is pointless me contacting you about my products since you buy cheap fakes. I am not in the market to compete with cheap fakes, so my prices will never be satisfactory to you. Why would you sell an honest product at an honest price when you can make more money selling fakes at a dishonest price?
And before you jump on me, you already said you buy your stock from e-n*t, so it would be pointless trying to argue a point with me, e-n*t sell fakes, period.
Your message clearly points that you are not interested in good media, you are only interested in cheap media (or you would not have come out with the get the price right comment) and I am not in the business of cheap media, I prefer to offer my customers high quality products at an honest price.
Alexander Hanff
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MrYang
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14. July 2004 @ 03:18 |
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Hello everyone... well at Dave22's suggestion I have gone away and got a life! Sorry Dave but you obviously havent got a clue about the who's who of the DVD and CD business! Perhaps you would care to share with us which company you represent!
Thanks for saying the trade side of my business is 1/10th the size of e-nets .. you obviously have not got the foggiest what I do because most of the discs I sell go into Spain and France and trust me to sell into those countries from the UK only comes with massive volumes - yes Shaf sells there too and no I'm not as big as them but at least my business commands the respect of businesses like Ricoh, Ritek, Verbatim, Sony, Fuji, Kodak, Maxell..... shall I continue to name all the other manufacturers and OEMs I deal with on a direct basis! Perhaps these companies dont sell to crap companies because they dont want their brands trashed in the market!
Trust me I have read the title of this thread and its about the quality of certain DVD discs and brands, yes I am in effect promoting my brands by saying they are good but please tell me if I have ever ever sold any crap to anyone because I havent... everyone can see who I represent so its clear I'm not hiding anything - I just put down my point of view and you are free to disagree (its called a discussion and thats the point of a forum)... but cut out the childish "GET A LIFE" etc because otherwise we might think your a 12 year old who just got his first dvd burner!
Anyway perhaps you would like to explain how you were in said meeting with Shaf and the Ritek CEO because the only plausable explaination would be you either work for E-net or are his largest customer - which is it and who are you - put your credentials on the table or get out of the discussion as your opinion is worthless unless you have credibility!
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Dave22
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14. July 2004 @ 11:34 |
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First to Naked geek yes I do deal with e-n*t and 4 other media companys in the UK and yes I do buy there disks and yes I do appreiciate quality hence selling TDK, Verbatim, JVC, Memorex, But as you said Mr Geek when I offer a client 100 Ritek for around £33 and 100 Verbatim for around £41.00 well most clients go for the Cheap Ritek, But that is not to say there are not poeple out there who buy High grade disk's or the likes of the above company's would go bust.
As for you Mr Yang who I am is of no use to you. I know of your comapny and at one time I did think of using your company but then I looked at your prices and I noticed this forum and how you tend to back bite all other dealers. If we were to beleive you well you would be the only authorized dealer of all the major names in the media world. No I don't work for E-N*T And I don't think I am there biggest customer there are bigger EBuyer, Dabs, and so on.
And as for selling to europe well everone does that as there is a better market there especially for Verbatim and Cheap disk's.
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NakedGeek
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14. July 2004 @ 17:08 |
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You Said:
The only disks I can trust are disk sold through 3 major suppliers in the UK of which E-N*t are one of them
Then you Said:
First to Naked geek yes I do deal with e-n*t and 4 other media companys in the UK
So now you are saying you buy disks from 2 suppliers you don't trust, or are you now saying you have gained 2 new suppliers in the last 48 hours and you now trust them as well? Forgive my confusion over the inconsistancy of your statements.
Also, these verbatim, prodisc ones I suppose eh? Care to give us the MID on them?
Memorex recently issued a public apology and offered returns on all faulty disks due them having to admit that CMC are shit. So yeah nice quality there mate.
TDK and JVC, again, got MIDs?
Oh and finally, your riteks are What Grade?
If you gonna spout, at least try and spout with some degree of credibility mate.
Paladine
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Dave22
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14. July 2004 @ 23:33 |
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First of all I am not your mate???.
And yes I will use various suppliers there are 3 main ones and one smaller comapny I use if the others run out of stock and I nead goods asap.
When I first started on this thread I tried to defend you as I though you were getting a bit of a ruff deal but know I see that you are just another supplier trying to justify his right to supply crap
(no I have not used your disk's so this is probably unfair but I now the dye type and I know it was used by Mirror for ages and if it was anything like there's well what can you say, they had the good sense to switch to G04 as well).
I think there are a lot of good suppliers out there trying to give good prices and good media to the public without ripping them off. It is a shame that you come in to the later catagorie which beleives in a basic disk at a quality price.
It's a shame really as I think that more choice means more clients. I will continute to watch this thread and look at your web site and see how it goes, and in all honesty I do hope it goes well but I think with your attitude you are already sunk as you are always right and everyone else is selling Cr*P so we will see.
My last words are I would be carefull the next time you slander someone they could pay you a visit and speak to you personally about it rather than on a forum.
Take care.
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MrYang
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15. July 2004 @ 00:42 |
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I think we would all like to know which company you represent Dave22 - why have you got a problem telling us ?? On the trade side I dont know why you wouldnt buy from me because I can undercut anyone for quality discs and no I dont sell any crap!
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NakedGeek
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15. July 2004 @ 03:20 |
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Dave22,
Irrespective of your opinion, you simply cannot get your story right. First you were using 3 suppliers, then 5 and now 4?
As for my AN32s they have out performed -every- singe e-n*t disk they have been tested against (g04 and g05) despite flash's bogus review. So if they are out performing the main competition, that is good enough for me and it is more than good enough for my customers. Funny how all my customers are very happy yet all the screaming and shouting comes from people who have never bought the disks or tested them. Don't go on about the people on this thread who have posted, if they are not willing to verify who they are, they are not customers, period.
For someone in the industry you continue to miss the point. Your reference to mirror was unqualified as I am presuming you have absolutely no idea what production line they were using. The production line is what makes all the difference. -All- our an32 disks are made on the Singulus Streamline (DVDR Version) which is by far one of the best production lines in the world, if you know anything about the manufacturing industry, you would know this.
As for the comment about someone paying me a visit, I will say the same as I said to the last person who made a threat of this nature, bring it on. I am a big boy and more than capable of taking care of myself thank you very much.
Now dave22, instead of just sitting there talking about things you obviously know absolutely nothing about, why don't spend the next next 6 months researching the different production lines (when I say production line I mean the equipment making the disks, not the manufacturer) out there and then come back to continue this debate when you are somewhat more qualified to do so because until you know something about the industry, e-n*t is just your pimp.
Paladine
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scarface.
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15. July 2004 @ 06:21 |
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handbags flying, pulling each others hair, lets just put it simple i don't think dvd-/+r will last forever as the industry is far from perfect, and personally i don't give a sh*t what media you all sell or jerk off to, at the end of the day your all out to make a buck, so stop playing saints, like you really give a sh*t if a customer gets a coaster.
all you really worry about is if customers return the faulty discs and how much that effects your profits.
"say hello to my little friend"
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NakedGeek
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15. July 2004 @ 06:33 |
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Who the hell do you think you are to say you know how we feel about our customers? I make myself available to my customers 24 hours a day in case of any problems. I have taken phonecalls at 4am for advice on firmware, of course we care if our customers get coasters. Any respectable media company relies on repeat trade for long term profits, not short term, so if customers burn coasters, whether they return them or not, they are not likely to return for another order. If they don't get coasters, then they will return, so are coaster counts important for us? Damn right they are.
Alexander Hanff
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MrYang
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15. July 2004 @ 06:48 |
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Hi Guys,
Can we now please get back on topic and agree to only discuss the media quality... anyone who doesnt agree and continues to "badmouth" or "argue" I will report to the moderators and get them kicked off.
Back to business, has anyone got feedback on Longtech media, I have tested some and results were good for data but patchy for video..
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scarface.
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15. July 2004 @ 06:57 |
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nakedgimp, who the hell do you think you are ?
i'm just posting my opinion after reading your silly little posts.
oh, you must have been over to taiwan too, visiting the ritek factory checking the quality controls are in order, before you sign the authorised dealer contract.
no? but i thought you were really concerned about customers and bad media, sorry.
also who phone's you at 4am with new firmware ?
tell you what though, you must have lost some customers by posting this pathetic bitching squabble on this forum. and guess what, you never sold them a thing.
oh, and you just lost one more too.
idiot.
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NakedGeek
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15. July 2004 @ 08:20 |
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Well since I don't have any disks manufactured by ritek at the moment, no I haven't been to taiwan. I did however visit the factory in Hong Kong where our disks are manufactured before placing our first order.
Also it was not about new firmware, it was a customer enquiring on which fw was newest.
But as Mr Yang said, this forum is not about my products, it is about bad media in the uk, my products don't fall under that category, so get back on topic.
Alexander Hanff
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scarface.
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15. July 2004 @ 08:34 |
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but why don't you stock ritek, they are one of the best media, as you are very concerned about good products & customer services ?
"say hello to my little friend"
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NakedGeek
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15. July 2004 @ 08:43 |
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In your opinion they are one of the best, in my opinion they are not, so we should just agree to disagree.
Alexander Hanff
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scarface.
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15. July 2004 @ 09:39 |
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amen.
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phil1974
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15. July 2004 @ 09:40 |
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hi, this thread started out about fake media then everyone started batting about quality of different media.
I would like to add my 2 pence worth that since i've been using dvd+r and backing up my dvd's about 6 months now i started with crap media from dixons 'imation' which nearly allways had errors then started with arita 4* dvd+r with no probs at all.then moved to traxdata just about the same disc i know but have used these eversince no probs till started to have errors again found out it was the drive not the discs. found this out by lite ons web site it had a smartburn program which tells which disc you are using.Now can this program be faked and give wrong info or am i being suckered into believing im using good quality discs. all my disc come from www.CD-Rmedia.co.uk .I am concerened with this talk of fakes cos i just bought loads more.
oppinions please
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scarface.
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15. July 2004 @ 09:49 |
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riteks were great until i bought a bunch of zero defex ritek from cdrmedia, they were rubbish, they all had marks on the outer edge of the disc, so tried verbatim and i have to say they are the best media iv'e used and they are only 85p from them too, some would only write at 2x though, but the burns were great and played perfectly on fussy dvd players even with glossy labels on the discs.
try verbatim i guarantee you will find them the best ( only buy jewel cased ones with mcc dye, the spindle ones are usually cmc and are shit ).
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NakedGeek
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15. July 2004 @ 10:55 |
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Phil, media IDs can be faked, also generally bad media with an original stamper ID is normally from stampers that have been stolen or tossed out after being used to the point where they start to become defective. That is normally how fake media gets onto the market (as regards real fakes rather than just lower grade media being reprinted as higher grade.)
Media that is reprinted as higher grade than it is, is indistinguishable from the real high grade media of the same brand unless you can contact the manufacturer with the serial number on the centre of the disk. They can then check their records and see if the disk was manufactured in their factory with their stamper. Sometimes stampers that are only producing rare errors will be moved to a "budget" production line (since stampers are very expensive) where it will be used to make lower grade media until such point as the defects it creates make it non cost effective anymore. At which point the stamper will be tossed and the "budget" line will get another stamper (usually handed down again).
Also lower grade media is often media that has been produced on a "good" production line but has not passed quality control for that grade.
Hope that answers a few of your questions.
Alexander Hanff
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NakedGeek
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15. July 2004 @ 11:02 |
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Scarface,
Prodisc also produce a large number of verbatim's azo disks according to my information (these tend to be the very cheap verbatims you see) as well as Taiyo Yuden. If you see verbatims with TYG01 as the MID they are produced in Taiyo Yuden's factory. Whereas MCC are very good, TY are the gods supreme of the blank dvdr world, they have the lowest ever recorded PO average and in most cases are actually higher quality (significantly fewer low level errors) than pressed original movie dvds you buy on the high street.
At the end of the day most of the Japanese media is exceptionally high quality, so if you have MCC or TY as your MID you should find the results to be excellent.
Alexander Hanff
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funbobby
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16. July 2004 @ 02:48 |
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AN32 Discs Sux The Big One!!!!
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16. July 2004 @ 06:56 |
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Hi everyone! Let's calm down a bit ;) And come back to the topic of DVD media quality anf fake/downgrade Riteks or other media imported by some distributors in the market.
At first I would like to ask if anyone really knows (especially Mr. Yang and also NakedGeek as they are bussinessmen) what are the Web Stores that sell out these "bad media" from E-net or others so we, the consumers, be able to protect ourselves. For example www.blankdiscshop.co.uk, do you think this is the same company as E-net or a reseller of them. Any suggestions for other retailers that serve as "vehicles" for E-Net products retail distribution?
Also, 2 more questions:
To Nakedgeek: Nakedgeek I visited your web site. You need to make it more simple, light and straight-forward, more business-like. Then you need to include a wider range of products, not only 2 (or so). Also my comment is that the TY DVD you sell for around 80p each, is quite expensive, compared for example with www.cd-rmedia.co.uk 's famous TDK DVD-Rs made by TY (the same with yours) sold for 59p each. Just keep your effort and good luck to you.
To Mr. Yang: I am a bit confused; CloneDisc is an original Ritek produced media coming from Ritek factory or not? Then as you are the authorized Ritek distributor, why don't you sell "Ritek" logo branded DVD-R media, as others who are not authorized distributors do? Thank you.
Finally, in this thread someone mentioned the Goallover DVD-R media (www.goallover.co.uk) and I visited their site. It seems that they use AZO dye, the same used for Riteks, for their media and I had a good impression for their presentation and guarantee. Has anyone tested them? Any feedback?
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