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Ps3 and Xbox 360, a war to come..
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rabbity
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7. February 2006 @ 12:05 |
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dude kookoo my link said both xbox and xbox 360, read carefully
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KoOkOo67
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7. February 2006 @ 13:09 |
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Dude, in canada you get xbox live with a purchace of the 360. (not core) 12 months, as you see you have to buy the product first. i think its all hidden fees tho.
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zelda64
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7. February 2006 @ 23:59 |
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Iam affraid your wrong on that Kookoo
My evidence of how and why online is important is simply Sony's anouncment on thier copy of xbox live. Products that sell well are coppied to gain profit, we all know this. Example could be bagless vacume cleaner's or more to the point the D-pad created by Nintendo or the analog stick.
If online doesnt seem to matter to much then why are Sony investing and copying the format of xbox live? I dont want an argument on the past with PS2 online so lets forget that one. The point is Online is more important than both Sony and Nintendo relised with Microsoft proving this.
So again iam not being horrible so please dont bite my head off. If you look at my last post I claim that if Sony can produce an online service like xbox live but for free then that will be a BIG plus for the PS3 and Microsoft would have to revise thier xbox live.
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KoOkOo67
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8. February 2006 @ 02:30 |
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I'm talking about the years 1999-2000. Noone really cared about online gameplay with a consol.
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zelda64
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8. February 2006 @ 10:34 |
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Yes thats correct but Microsoft made sure their console was ready for it and if over 2 million people joined then some people must of cared about it. When PS2 came out I cared little for online so no modem was not an issue with me and many others but until 2-3 years down the line a modem became an issue when you had good games coming to the PC and Xbox that had online facilities and more and more people where upgrading to broadband.
But lets forget about the past thats not important as we all know that online is an important aspect now and wasnt of the biggest importance in the past otherwise everyone would have bought an xbox becuase of its good online facilities rather than a PS2.
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8. February 2006 @ 10:55 |
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ok zelda your pissing me of saying sony is copying xbox live. they are doing nothingof the sort. they are writing there own clean slate version, that may do many thing xbl can and certainly alot more has been planned. they arnt stealing code like ms loves to do. they are writing this for themselves and they are trying to make it superior in looks and how it works, aswell as intuitive. if they were copying, people would not care for it. people are hearing this news and looking for something new and awesome. sure xbox had a centralized online service first in the console world, but other things have had them first, and the idea is not new. saying sony is copying xbl is like saying ms copied off of windows. just not happening.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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KoOkOo67
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8. February 2006 @ 11:02 |
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Actually, zelda, ps2 coppies sega because it had online, and so did microsoft. Dreamcast was first with online play, not microsoft.
Therefor you canot say sony "coppied" online play.
If you can say that, I can say microsoft copied all of ps2. You know, the rumble, the anilog stick, the dvd player, ability to play cd's,. oo look a consol.
So please, stop this copy'ing nonsence, it's kinda really immature...
Sony see's that online gameplay is getting more popular, so they are stepping in.
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8. February 2006 @ 11:30 |
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But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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rabbity
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8. February 2006 @ 12:21 |
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i think that what zelda means is not that xbox live was the first of its kind but that it set the standard for the rest of the consoles to follow if they wished, and thats what ps3 is doing, and no doubt that they will take points from xbl, i know that anubis does not like xbl but a lot of people even ps3 fans say that it is the best thing about the xbox.
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8. February 2006 @ 12:42 |
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i didnt say i didnt like xbl, i just pointed out some annoyences with it that even ps2 online had well. and yes, its a standard, but arnt standard things less that high-end ones? plus if its a standard, anything after is not copying, but improving.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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rabbity
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8. February 2006 @ 13:28 |
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its not standard, i meant it set the standard for high end console online gaming.
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KoOkOo67
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8. February 2006 @ 14:50 |
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Sony is releaseing an online service for psp and ps3, because it's what people want. That is'nt called copying. Sony is just taking one more step further in IT'S online gaming.
Microsoft making a new consol, doesnt mean copying, neither does making a similar online package does'nt either. This is'nt concidered copying. If it was, it would be called xboxlive for ps3, exact everything. WHICH clearly its not.
This is the point im making.
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zelda64
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8. February 2006 @ 22:28 |
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Thankyou rabbity, that is along the lines of what I ment, its also nice to have a bit of support when you talk about 360 with anubis and Kookoo.
Off the subject why do you seem to get so uptight about the slightest negative towards Sony of the slihtest positive on the 360?
What do you take me for Kookoo. I know a tremendous amount on the History of consoles esspesially after doing a large amount of course work onit. Dreamcast had online built in but the question you must ask is why are all reporters and magazines comment on online functions of the 360 and how its a stong point. This is what you must look at and relise what I am trying to say. I find it hard somtimes to explain myself without sounding confusing. I can give Sony loads and loads of credit for the many good things they have brought to the gaming industry but I dont have too because you will do that for me, however for the short period Microsoft have been in this industry they have brought along some good things as well one being competition becuase the last thing you want is a monopoly like Microsoft have with Windows.
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zelda64
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8. February 2006 @ 22:33 |
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Going back to the online thing. I was not trying to say Microsoft was the first to have online I was trying to say Microsoft where the first to have an online service working in an easy function with no nedd for IP addreses and easy to use menu system.
PS3 will have a different system as it will be built from scratch like you say anubis but the idea of a system where its easy to connect online and play games easyly over the net with a menu for downloads is taken from Xbox live. Hense why web pages are calling it PS3 Live.
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8. February 2006 @ 22:45 |
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zelda, most games allow fast access to gaming. most in forms of server lists. i love server lists but on xbl you get inserted into a game based on levels. its gay i think.
did you know ms was penalized a few years back and fined a huge sum for becoming a monopoly? they wanna stick their hands in to many places and i get tired of it. lets but it this way. how would you want every restaurant to be a mcdonalds or an applebees? or maybe even say tou your friends "lets go eat at the new microsoft restaurant down the street, then shop at the microsoft grocery store. after lets check out that newfangles microsoft themepark and get some official halo mint icecream." lines have to be drawn, and companies shoulndt be allowed such freedoms.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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8. February 2006 @ 22:59 |
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Well despite of what you think of xbox live its obvious that microsoft had created a facility for console gamers to easily use the internet for gaming and Sony have coppied the idea. However it is built from the ground up and if it turns out better than xbox live and its free then Microsoft could have a big problem on thier hands.
I do agree with you there anubis although you might put it a bit out of context. That is what I said in my last post monopoplys are not good for the consumer. If Microsoft where not in this then Sony would have a big monopoly in the home console market and that is no good thing so its good a big company has steped in to give Sony competition. Sony will therefore up thier game like they are doing now which is good becuase if Microsoft was not here as competition I dont think Sony would have been as power hungry with there PS3 and it would most likely be alot more expensive as there would be no real competition like Windows.
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8. February 2006 @ 23:47 |
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yeah i agree, i love the xobx just because its making the ps3 kick ass. without the competition from the bigger man, the little man doesnt care to put in effort. look at slavedrivers, slaves wouldnt work like they are told otherwise. also, windows users are decreaseing while mac users are up to 15% from 8-20% before the ipod and itunes hit the whole genre. macs are getting their glory finaly seen.
but dear effing god i hatted it the other day. k im taking the redline north from downtown here in chicago and the train is packed, i look all around me and i find about 70% of the people on the car have ipod headphones on. the shitty tin sounding headphones. i refuse to own an ipod because almost everyone does. i dont like to have all the "cool" things. i have an m:robe v100 and it pwns. red and black lcd, black front panel and red touch things. 5bg for 120 buks of ebay. the nano is 2gb for 200.
(sorry off topic but i had to vent anger)
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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9. February 2006 @ 01:21 |
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Your very confusing anubis.
First can you see why I think you are a PS3 fanboy when you use phrases like Quote:
i love the xobx just because its making the ps3 kick ass
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Secondly if you are so frustrated by company's that have such a large hold on a product like the ipod then why on Earth are you buying a PS3? Playstation is considered a cool product which over 100 million people have. Please dont say about Microsoft as company having monopoly becuase it is only in one area of the industry and if you do you will be contradicting yourself as you mention about mac's and how you want them to do well but in the same breath not wanting the ipod to do well becuase of its large stangle hold in the MP3 area. Sony has a large stangle hold in the console area and if you work it out it comes to the same percentage as the ipod's. 100million PS2's and 20million xbox's. That means PS2 has 80% more share just like ipod so theoreticaly you should be wanting the 360 or Revolution.
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9. February 2006 @ 01:38 |
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consoles are different. i want the better one due to better things. its like "should i buy this high grade a/c or a small fan. i want an mp3 player for music, not some color screen or movies, just music. also, i plain dont like the feel of an ipod, with the white and the wheel. the wheel can be a bitch for games. its all the genre of things. i just dont like it when companies spread. they should be limited to what they were made for. ms to computers, sony to home theater, etc etc. there would be more little buisnesses. i have different views on different things in different areas for different reasons (nice i know..). the 360 is nothing right now, and i suggest to anyone not to buy it untill it shows of potential. then buy it. i just dont like the ignorance.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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rabbity
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9. February 2006 @ 02:15 |
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i agree with you there when you say that the 360 is not that great at the momment, but just wait till something like ghost rtecon 3 comes then you will see a game on the 360 which was not rushed in any way.
also anubis there you go again with the servers thing on xbl, i am not 100% sure what yoiu mean by not being able to join where you want but if you mean like cod2 where you just get placed into a game without knowing who is init and who is hosting, well i keeeeep telling you it depends on the game. DOA4 is different, you can host a game you can join a game by looking at the name of the server, same as pgr3, its just that they messed up on cod2.
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9. February 2006 @ 08:41 |
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if they messed up in cod2, they also messed up halo 2 cuz its the same thing.
and i was never really thrilled with ghost recon games either way, so however it is i wouldnt be effected.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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chimpanel
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9. February 2006 @ 10:30 |
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anubis again you say Quote:
i want an mp3 player for music, not some color screen or movies, just music
then you go on too say Quote:
the wheel can be a bitch for games.
. Huh, you want an mp3 player for just music but you don't like the i pod cos the wheel is crap for games. Far be it for me to take some less seriously because of something so trivial as spelling mistakes but when someone contradicts themselves like that I have to say, where exactly are you coming from?
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consoles are different. i want the better one due to better things
but consoles are not different really. With mp3's you want the better one due to better things for example more supported music file formats. The only thing that I don't tend to buy much is fashion label clothes as they are pretty expensive and can be just as good or worse than a cheaper alternative. But that doesn't apply to electronics. Also anti conformatism is a type of conformatism y'know, you can't escape it. I hate following the crowd too but at the end of the day I buy the best (within budget) because it simply is the best choice not because joe bloggs hasn't got one, and if that means following the crowd then so be it.
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9. February 2006 @ 11:58 |
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Microsoft belongs in the video game industry as much as Sony does, Anubis.
Think about it. The consoles are (especially now) a blend of both computer and home entertainment components
And while I don't encourage or discourage a business' drive to eventual monopolistic status (afterall, that's what businesses strive for), it's a little confusing to read how you dislike Microsoft's virtual monopoly in computer operating systems and Apple's fad-crazed monopoly in MP3 players, yet not contesting that Sony has any kind of monopoly in the video game industry (which actually is classified as it's own industry).
ps I dislike microsoft as much as the next guy. Just like Walmart or something. Starbucks. Etc.
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rabbity
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9. February 2006 @ 12:49 |
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anubis halo 2 was not the best it could have been when it came to the servers but it was better than cod2, firstly you could host your own game, you could like kick people, and pick the options you wanted like maps and guns. non of those things are capable with cod2. and the reason i say wait for ghost recon is not b/c it will have great gameplay (then again some people would disagree) but b/c of its graphics, and online variety.
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9. February 2006 @ 18:14 |
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rabbity, you could not host and have people join unless they were "friends" not many people have 7 friends online with them all wanting to play together. thats rare. plus another disadvantage is people cant join in the middle of the game.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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