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CrisKahn2
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2. January 2007 @ 20:10 |
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ehh im a sony fan i have every sony product pretty much from consoles to music to laptop and tvs... but i still got a wii.
funny how i had enough $ for a ps3 at launch and now i see some at walmart on display and dont have enough $ anymore...too bad.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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2. January 2007 @ 21:19 |
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oofRome, yeah i know but its true not 100% maybe but about 99% seriously.
Ok I think I have it summed up:
-Nintendo products sell only because of sheer, blind brand-loyalty.
-The Wii is for noobs.
-Ninty Fanboys are inherently worse than their Sony and Microsoft counterparts.
Is that what the general consensus is?[/quote]yyaaaaaaaaa...........its a thing called Sony first and foremost of all fanboyisim they lie cheat and steal and yet gamers return to their abuser,
2nd comes Xbox with halo and MS's one time graphical might thankfully the 360 has ruffed up the feathers on some and they see MS for what they are...sadly a few is not enough to fight the witless corperations.
then theres a small cult of nin die hards that think they can do no wrong,bah nin has done alot of wrong but right now theres one thing I want from them and thats game control if they cant revive it then gaming is turely dead,SOny and MS have converted to hollywoodisim where little things like game control and options within a game that make it easier for any player of any skill level to CONTROL it without game control games are even more shallow than they currently already arre making them that much more like moives of effortless design that hollywood spews out.
So far NON of the big 3 have shown they give a damn but the wii seems to be the most "fun" since the other 2 have forgotten what fun and games are about.
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3. January 2007 @ 05:02 |
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So far NON of the big 3 have shown they give a damn but the wii seems to be the most "fun" since the other 2 have forgotten what fun and games are about.
I think everyones got it wrong this time around. So for all my fellow sony fans stop the nint bashing because nintendos crap is less stink than MS and Sony's. I think alot of persons have a problem with wii out selling ps3 and that makes them really edgy. Dont worry though the wii is just more available (something sony couldn't accomplish for launch). So dont feel bad and start attaching the nintendo they had a successful launch, (best in the gen) Sony will catch up and surpass everyone for now they have to be settled with LAST place.
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Last place for having the best technology to date? I can deal with that, especially since Sony's prior consoles (PS, PS One, PS2, PS Two, PSP) have sold more than I dunno what, 225 MILLION World Wide....no problem how I see it. They could have shafted customers and came out with a PS 2.5 similar to the 360 or do it right and not rush. What bugs me most is how MS people love to say things like
1) The original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2...okay so the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 but now it doesn't apply because it doesn't "fit their needs"
2) The original Xbox killed the PS2...how so when it has no where near the amount of sales, plus the PS2 STILL sells NEW consoles unlike the Xbox?
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Worldwide Hardware Sales (September 2006)
PSone - 102.49 million
PS2 - 111.25 million
PSP - 22.94 million
PS3 - .38 million
NES - 50 million
SNES - 49 million
GameCube - 21.2 million
Game Boy Advance - 76.79 million
Nintendo DS - 26.82 million
Wii - 3.19 million
Xbox - 24.5 million
Xbox 360 - 6 million
So lets do some totals here
Nintendo - 227 million
Microsoft - 30.5 million
Sony - 237.06 million
Now these are not 100% accurate (as I wasn't going to waste hours and hours getting EVERY console) but give a good REPRESENTATION of estimates and CURRENT projection numbers NOT future projections. Also Nintendo has more as they have been out much longer and the original GB and GBSP are not included above.
Lastly how can you do an HONEST comparison of games when using first gen titles (PS3) to 2nd gen titles (360)? You can't, but MS'ers still make things "fit their needs" when it is in favor of them. So I say no big deal...we'll see what happens next year and then after.
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So far NON of the big 3 have shown they give a damn but the wii seems to be the most "fun" since the other 2 have forgotten what fun and games are about.
I think everyones got it wrong this time around. So for all my fellow sony fans stop the nint bashing because nintendos crap is less stink than MS and Sony's. I think alot of persons have a problem with wii out selling ps3 and that makes them really edgy. Dont worry though the wii is just more available (something sony couldn't accomplish for launch). So dont feel bad and start attaching the nintendo they had a successful launch, (best in the gen) Sony will catch up and surpass everyone for now they have to be settled with LAST place.[/quote]SO?
that wont make sony "better" look hard at the PS2 and you will see alot of crappy games and a few good ones the PS3 is going to amplify this,the 360 is no better and nintendo is the only one that can acutaly do something about what gameing needs,gameing dose not need "media" and other crap to distract it from games.
However I dont see Nin doing much either,it is the corperate way after all sale crap for more than the good stuff was sold for so....meh
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this thread is running rampant again, jees i can check it fast enought during the holiday times.
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Ok I think I have it summed up:
-Nintendo products sell only because of sheer, blind brand-loyalty.
-The Wii is for noobs.
-Ninty Fanboys are inherently worse than their Sony and Microsoft counterparts.
Is that what the general consensus is?
basically yes. nintendo fans down anyone else because they are not nintendo and mario pwns. 75% of the wii market consists of these people. the other 25% is a melting pot of new users, non gamers, and people who just want to say they have a "next gen" system.
listen to some of the fights nintendo boyz put up. i was in software etc and i was promoting the sixaxis to the two employees manning the wii station for demo'ing. i say it will be awesome in flying games (i got blazing angles, it is awesome), and they are all "well the wii could do it too, and the controller is smaller and has less buttons to learn." are wii fans idots that they cant learn a few combinations? i get a system to play it often, not to play it so little i cant remember more than 3 f****** buttons. they also said "the sixaxis fedels too light, like it will float away. remember that ps3 commercial with the floting console? its cuz of the sixaxis weighing so little." um, yeah this guy right here is being to sound stupider and stupider. he then says after my reply to that "the buttons are all clunky and the triggers feel crappy." and i again dont know where he gets off saying this. i tell him about the blu ray playback and ability to do just about anything with the ps3 a pc could do, and that the graphics own all, and his like "well the wii doesnt need to do that, and it looks nice enought." so i downsize him by telling him my 4 year old 5200 runs almost par with the wii, and that nintendo cut every corner to put as little cash into their system to suck your pockets while you blindly follow a worthless pile of microchips, and he shut up there, after a little stuttering. the girl employee their was like "the wii is just better, watch me play this excite truck game, the ps3 couldnt do this. i like mario and zelda, they are only on wii." and i tell her "the ps3 does better, look at motorstorm for one fine example. and mario and zelda are on both the wii and the gamecube." i then mention to them both the wii is no more than an overclocked gamecube, and they say "no, its completely new and much much better, its the next gen and its nintendo."
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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3. January 2007 @ 08:31 |
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but seriously, everyone knows that the Wii is intended for kids/family, 360 and PS3 are for more mature and hardcore gamers. Also, some game franchises cannot make games for the Wii due to the nature of the game and its compatibility with the nunchuk and Wiimote.
amen to that...thats what i was trying to say. Nintendo doesnt get as many 3rd party support like Sony and MS. It has been like that for Nintendo. The only popular killer games on Nintendo consoles has been developed by Nintendo themselves....Mario, Zelda , smash bros. That is why I am saying that i will only own probably like 10 maybe 20 games on the wii in its life. All will be mario and zelda and party games etc...
Now unlike Sony and MS who have killer flagships by 3rd party support... it will increase the number of game sales. No matter how many consoles Nintendo sells... the number of game sales will never reach what MS and Sony can do. Especially Sony which has blown away every competition ever since the PS1.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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3. January 2007 @ 08:38 |
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Yes they are idoits that cant seem to master chunky and stiff controlls or odd laid out control pads,Halo begin the best example at only 50% of gamers can do well with it the rest cant play it or are handicapped by being ture south paws.
Halos 30/70 aim system needs to go I'll take fluid aiming vrs a small fine aim aera and a large quick turn aera hell Time spilters dose control better....
Now dose this mean the WII is better.....no only if they give you full sentivty controls and soem button mapping so you can adjust the game to how you play,this is soemthign gamedom has forgotten is its lust for graphics they have forgotten root elements of gaming CONTROL to put in acouple static schemes and cal it a day is never a good idea and for a fps it can make them unplayable,the WII is ding soemthign new with controls at least admit its soemthign new and fun sony and MS and jsut contenting the graphics is everythign mantra of the last 5 years and nintendo seems to be following them at their own pace,if you like a system then like it at least admit tis weaknesses.....
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3. January 2007 @ 08:39 |
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amen to that...thats what i was trying to say. Nintendo doesnt get as many 3rd party support like Sony and MS. It has been like that for Nintendo. The only popular killer games on Nintendo consoles has been developed by Nintendo themselves....Mario, Zelda , smash bros. That is why I am saying that i will only own probably like 10 maybe 20 games on the wii in its life. All will be mario and zelda and party games etc...
Now unlike Sony and MS who have killer flagships by 3rd party support... it will increase the number of game sales. No matter how many consoles Nintendo sells... the number of game sales will never reach what MS and Sony can do. Especially Sony which has blown away every competition ever since the PS1.
whith is why nintendo needs to make a profit off thier system......
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3. January 2007 @ 09:32 |
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What bugs me most is how MS people love to say things like
1) The original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2...okay so the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 but now it doesn't apply because it doesn't "fit their needs"
2) The original Xbox killed the PS2...how so when it has no where near the amount of sales, plus the PS2 STILL sells NEW consoles unlike the Xbox?
I love this point, because half of the last page was bashing the Wii for being underpowered. Like I said, all console discussions have an air of hypocracy surrounding them. I'm sure in a couple years I will look back and say "What? I wasn't even making sense."
Do I wish the Wii was a little more powerful? Yes.
Does it really matter? Not if history is any indication.
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basically yes. nintendo fans down anyone else because they are not nintendo and mario pwns. 75% of the wii market consists of these people. the other 25% is a melting pot of new users, non gamers, and people who just want to say they have a "next gen" system.
Great estimates...
You do realize that launch units of any system are snagged by the loyal diehard fans, right?
So how do you account for the unprecendented amount of ps3 exchanges for other systems?
http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=9210
or more demand for the ninty money-hungry, overclocked gamecube?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5283
Look, I think the ps3 has a lot of potential. I really do. But until they give consumers enough reason to drop 600 dollars, I wouldn't make a habit of bashing Wii owners for being overly loyal.
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3. January 2007 @ 09:39 |
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yyaaaaaaaaa...........its a thing called Sony first and foremost of all fanboyisim they lie cheat and steal and yet gamers return to their abuser,
2nd comes Xbox with halo and MS's one time graphical might thankfully the 360 has ruffed up the feathers on some and they see MS for what they are...sadly a few is not enough to fight the witless corperations.
I don't think any one is worse than the others. I'm sure the mods could step in and say they've seen their fair share of rotten fanboys on all 3 sides. None of them stand out because they're basically the same anyways.
I'm not one to take cheap shots, but last I checked it wasn't a Ninty fan making headline news for shooting someone. It's an isolated incident, but proves my point. All 3 sides get ugly. Lets move on.
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I don't think any one is worse than the others. I'm sure the mods could step in and say they've seen their fair share of rotten fanboys on all 3 sides. None of them stand out because they're basically the same anyways.
I'm not one to take cheap shots, but last I checked it wasn't a Ninty fan making headline news for shooting someone. It's an isolated incident, but proves my point. All 3 sides get ugly. Lets move on.
My comment was directed at SOny and MS that make games for 50% of gamers with static controls no options or button mapping its not like GC did better,my point being MS and SOny have fuly left gamdom and have entered "media dom" the mixing of all media,where nintendo still has their feet on the ground they are the only ones as I see it that can bring game paly back into the spotlight,if they fail we will enter a phaze of ultra trendy and shallow games...and this saddens me.....games used to be SO MUCH MORE than interactive hollywood movies....
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3. January 2007 @ 10:11 |
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oops made and a$$$$$$$$$ of myself didn't read the posts right :(
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Originally posted by xyqo:
oops made and a$$$$$$$$$ of myself didn't read the posts right :(
we all make mistakes mew....I make it every time I post :P
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Im somewhat notice a change among the people I know, for instance, just recently I spoke to a friend of mine whom last year was a loyal sony fan. I respected his decision on being loyal to the company, but just a couple of days ago, I couldnt believe my ears. He told me he had bought a Wii, then he asked me which next gen system I would get. I thought about it for a while and I replyed "maybe a playstation 3", just then he countered my reply saying "man what are you thinking? dont get a ps3, thats a waste of money". Then he started talking about how much better the Wii is and how innovative playing zelda is.
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Originally posted by T4spartan:
Im somewhat notice a change among the people I know, for instance, just recently I spoke to a friend of mine whom last year was a loyal sony fan. I respected his decision on being loyal to the company, but just a couple of days ago, I couldnt believe my ears. He told me he had bought a Wii, then he asked me which next gen system I would get. I thought about it for a while and I replyed "maybe a playstation 3", just then he countered my reply saying "man what are you thinking? dont get a ps3, thats a waste of money". Then he started talking about how much better the Wii is and how innovative playing zelda is.
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the WIis Zelda is innovative control wise,however the game itself is not better than the last 3 zelda games.
plus the PS3 is currently a over priced POS,BR movies are 30-50$ all in all blah mabye in a year or so when the PS3 levels out.
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the ps3 now is a luxary item, and in time it will come down and have more games and ideas in the games. motorstorm had a wonderful review recently, better than any racer.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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3. January 2007 @ 23:32 |
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MotorStorm does look pretty good,I think that the Best Ps3 racing game Will be GT5 and that isnt coming till 08 dam the Ps2 did have seriously a much better launch *drools* I think everyone would agree remember all those games like Gt3 man nothing could match that game in graphics for a good 3 years remember Grand Theft Auto III all those games nothing there which I really think is whats setting the PS3 back and whats making it loose its fanbase slowly if theyd just made a better launch line-up and didnt have delays they'd see the Ps3 selling like crazy.
I think the Ps2 had the biggest launch out of any console in history for sure as it had games on laucnch which made it break the #1 recored for most consoles sold 125million+.
I also think that the 7th gen will have the best fight for the No1 amount of consoles sold whoever says that the Wii wont have a fight you are wrong and I will laugh at you in 5 yrs and to whoever says only nintendo Diehard fans buy the console then dam you people must be in crap (Talking to sony and microsoft fans) because nintendo started making video games in the 80's and this console is designed for all of those people that stoped playign after the SNES so that saying nintendo die hard fans isnt a reall good Idea
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MotorStorm does look pretty good,I think that the Best Ps3 racing game Will be GT5 and that isnt coming till 08 dam the Ps2 did have seriously a much better launch *drools* I think everyone would agree remember all those games like Gt3 man nothing could match that game in graphics for a good 3 years remember Grand Theft Auto III all those games nothing there which I really think is whats setting the PS3 back and whats making it loose its fanbase slowly if theyd just made a better launch line-up and didnt have delays they'd see the Ps3 selling like crazy.
I think the Ps2 had the biggest launch out of any console in history for sure as it had games on laucnch which made it break the #1 recored for most consoles sold 125million+.
I also think that the 7th gen will have the best fight for the No1 amount of consoles sold whoever says that the Wii wont have a fight you are wrong and I will laugh at you in 5 yrs and to whoever says only nintendo Diehard fans buy the console then dam you people must be in crap (Talking to sony and microsoft fans) because nintendo started making video games in the 80's and this console is designed for all of those people that stoped playign after the SNES so that saying nintendo die hard fans isnt a reall good Idea
the future of gaming isn't based on the 80 lol, people want consoles that were designed in and for, the future, it's all about next-generation. i thinks sony's line-up was pretty much of a disurpointment but it was better then the 360 lauch line-up, we all expected a bad line-up but titles like call of duty 3 and Resistance: Fall of Man kept the fans happy. we all know and expect the console to give better titles in the future and because of that the ps3 sales were high.
for racing games, am really hoping that project gotham comes to the ps3.
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i faninally got in some good play time on the wii, and the graphics barely rival the xbox, if even match them. the controller is different, and playing madden on it was kind of cool. the game play factor id give a 7.5-8 to the wii, but graphics id give a 4. in perspective, i give the ps3 a gameplay rating of 8-8.5 and graphics a 9, the the x360 id give a 6.5 in gameplay, and an 8.75 in graphics.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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4. January 2007 @ 11:21 |
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nintendo started making video games in the 80's and this console is designed for all of those people that stoped playign after the SNES so that saying nintendo die hard fans isnt a reall good Idea
yeah your right on some of that there. i grew up with NES/SNES but then never bought another nintendo system after. why? well because nintendo failed to grow up with me.
im sorry but any older gamer who feels the wii is anything different than their last console has been completely misled. if you look at the wii's childish launch lineup and current gamelineup, im sure you'll understand. if not i could list them for you...so go ahead and argue that games like COD3 or double agent are on the wii, but of course like everything else im referring to the exclussive titles which basically don't exist for the older gamer on the wii.
note i never said the system isn't or cant be fun, but in terms of delivering games for the older crowd nintendo has and apparantly always will fail miserably...
by the way Ubisoft is not Nintendo, just so people know ;)
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Yeah well the motion sensing controllers, num-chucks do apeal more to a younger aduiance. I dont think much adults would like to swing around a controller. Then again it is quite fun and all. But they are trying to make more mature rated games like red steal and resident evil.....
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Well im gonna tell yall I have a Wii but not gonna be a flame starter. I do see ur point but it is a cheap system and alot of fun. I think Zelda is a great game I great storyline good graphics(cant compare to PS3 though). Also swing teh controllers are not in all games Wii sports might be teh only one.
Just trying to make a point not disagreeing with u
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4. January 2007 @ 17:08 |
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Yeah well the motion sensing controllers, num-chucks do apeal more to a younger aduiance. I dont think much adults would like to swing around a controller.
That is where you are wrong I havent had any adult come to my house and not give a try on Wii-Sport even people that have never played a game console.
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faninally got in some good play time on the wii, and the graphics barely rival the xbox,
You cannot say that,
a)They are not for sure it really depends you might have compared wii-sports to forza.
b)well it took xbox 5 years to get graphics up to that standard and oyu are comparing it with a console whihc is just 2x more powerfull and has only been out for 7 weeks i dfind that really stupid as you wont say anything about it when games like Metroid Prime 3 come out and no Xbox game is going to be able to have graphics like that for sure.
c)Just read the god damn specs for starters as all the numbers are higher then the Original Xbox!
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by the way Ubisoft is not Nintendo, just so people know
Of course it isnt just because they relased like 5 Wii games on launch whihc were all hyped up more then Hlaf the games turned out to be crap as Tonic Trouble well not really nothings as bad as Tonic Trouble LOL!
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I got to play some Wii during my Christmas Break, and while fun. It isn't even worth 250 dollars. If I wanted to play Zelda, I'd get it for GCN(seriously the camera on Wii sucks majorly). Other than that, playing four player Wii Bowling is fun as hell, but is only fun in short bursts and with friends. Playing by myself and a couple hours a day would become boring quickly. I believe in the grand scheme of things, Wii will be an after thought during your gaming grinds.
b)well it took xbox 5 years to get graphics up to that standard and oyu are comparing it with a console whihc is just 2x more powerfull and has only been out for 7 weeks i dfind that really stupid as you wont say anything about it when games like Metroid Prime 3 come out and no Xbox game is going to be able to have graphics like that for sure.
And this is exactly why people cannot compare PS3 launch titles to Gears of War.
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