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Calm and Quiet, Peaceful Console Debate Thread.
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eman3d
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4. January 2007 @ 18:11 |
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First let me say this- I am not loyal to any one system, i am a GAMER first. Not only am i a fan of vidoe games but i am a fan of business and over the last year it is my opinion that Sony as a business is in BIG trouble.
The PS3 is nothing more then a glorified Blu Rey player. Sony has decorated this player with a videogame system on top. They are forcing customers to become dedicated to Blu Rey whether they choose to or not. Big gamble considering there failures with Beta Max, Mini Disk, UMD's, etc. HD DVD is less expensive and looks just as good and most of all COST LESS. Another problem is MICROSOFT. The Xbox has been out for a whole year and is gaining a pretty nice install base which is constantly growing and what makes matters worse is the iminent price drop that is coming in May, 2007 in conjunction with the release of Halo 3 (wow!!) Another problem--- 3rd party developers are not dedicated to a system like the fans are, they are dedicated to making money. Case in point- Virtua Fighter 5. Sega initially announced this game as a PS3 exclusive but last week it was announced that it will be made for the 360 (i wonder why) Just recently a rumor has surfaced (Virtua Fighter 5 was a rumor too but look what happened) that Tekken 6 will be made for the 360. And recently the maker of Metal Gear Solid has recanted his previous statement that MGS4 can only be made on the PS3 to MGS4 CAN be made on the 360 (i wonder why?)I knew this would happen a year ago. 3rd party developers will start to jump ship.
The PS3 feels rushed and not polished. Simple things like playing custom tracks while playing a game is not possible (cell technology?) Whenever you download something you have to stop playing a game (cell technology?) No universal friends list, friends list only for particular game (why) Xbox does all the above with no problem.
With a year headstart for the Xbox and the Wii selling like hotcakes Sony has put itself in a bad position.
High Price
Loosing exclusive games
no unified internet service
a clunky user interface experience
The only thing thats left is a Blu Rey player and ironically it's the very reason why the Xbox has a year headstart and it's whats going to kill the PS3. Just my opinion.
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4. January 2007 @ 18:58 |
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wii cannot be compared to the other two, i dont even count it in the fight. its kind of a sideline thing, and its not worth picking up till the price comes down significantly.
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You cannot say that,
a)They are not for sure it really depends you might have compared wii-sports to forza.
b)well it took xbox 5 years to get graphics up to that standard and oyu are comparing it with a console whihc is just 2x more powerfull and has only been out for 7 weeks i dfind that really stupid as you wont say anything about it when games like Metroid Prime 3 come out and no Xbox game is going to be able to have graphics like that for sure.
c)Just read the god damn specs for starters as all the numbers are higher then the Original Xbox!
numbers dont mean everything. i was comparring madden 06 on xbox to madden 07 on wii, and its a shadow of an improvement if anything.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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4. January 2007 @ 19:49 |
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You have posted that same ting over and over! Pleas stop because multi posting is against the rules!
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SirRaven
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4. January 2007 @ 20:11 |
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Originally posted by eman3d:
High Price
Loosing exclusive games
no unified internet service
a clunky user interface experience
High Price - almost double the features than the $400 360, tell me how this is a high price.
Losing* exclusive games - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/sho...pic_id=25280787
5 out of what, like 100 titles? People also forget that multiplatform is normally more profitable for 3rd party developers. Noone was whining that the ps2 was dying because "exclusive" ps2 games like Silent Hill were being ported to the xbox.
No unified internet service - No fee for internet service.
Clumsy user interface experience - compared to what? Windows? Surely you can't be saying it's clumsy compared to the 4 page AOL-inspired 360 GUI.
I'm sorry, I'm not a fanboy of Sony. I do like the 360 and have had much fun playing Gears of War, Halo, Dead Rising, etc. But people that claim to be unbiased and are hardly unbiased in any way really tick me off. I think people should get a life and enjoy the console they have and stop trying to bash the other system (be it 360 haters or PS3 haters).
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4. January 2007 @ 20:13 |
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Neither are the other 2 and what are oyu talking about price cmon 400au the Ps2 is 185au and is 7 years old the wii is 3x as powerfull and brings some media features and a new controler for 200 extra how is that too much and whats with the 999.95au pricetag for the Ps3 oyu havent said anything about that?
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numbers dont mean everything. i was comparring madden 06 on xbox to madden 07 on wii, and its a shadow of an improvement if anything.
Well they sorta do because a 160mhz Pentium 1 isnt as good as a Pentium 4 @ 3.0ghz even though the Core 2 beats the pentium 4 only at 1.83/2.93 ghz it has alot more L2 cache etc. so numbers do count.
exactly what I said before it took 5 years for an Xbox game to get to that level and oyu are comapring it with a Launch Tittle of another console whihc developers dont even know what the console can do or how to develop a 100% perfect game for it.
I dont really agree with anything on this Thred half of it is just rambling about nothing and I dont care as I have a Wii and plan to buy a Ps3 around August 07 the 360 no as i just odnt like it ive had one for 2 months when my nighbour went to the Philipines and let me have it while he was on holidays half the time I dindt even play it because I was to tempted by Scarface on Ps2
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4. January 2007 @ 20:27 |
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i wouldn't really worry too much about his posts. he has been reported so im sure the mods will help him find his way.
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That is where you are wrong I havent had any adult come to my house and not give a try on Wii-Sport even people that have never played a game console.
i'd also agree with that statement as i've seen some people a little hesitant when asked to play the wii, but most have enjoyed the sports game once they tried.
i still think the most enjoyment atleast for me comes from playing with a group of people, whether its family or friends. i could see adults who have children enjoying this system more than someone like myself, as i believe we all once again relive the likes of childhood through children, and im sure interacting with their little ones can be very enjoyable. the wii is different, i'll say that.
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c)Just read the god damn specs for starters as all the numbers are higher then the Original Xbox!
ya might want to tone it down a notch, they are just consoles...
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its not worth picking up till the price comes down significantly.
atm, i'd second that one. i think the wii right now is sort of a "fad" one of those things where really don't know why, but it seems like you have to own one.
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4. January 2007 @ 21:10 |
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Console specs are moot.
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4. January 2007 @ 21:13 |
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Lets tone it down before the close this thread, this is intended to be calme and quiet!
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4. January 2007 @ 23:02 |
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i wouldn't really worry too much about his posts. he has been reported so im sure the mods will help him find his way.
If you mean me then I dont hve a clue what I did wrong will you please point out?
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c)Just read the god damn specs for starters as all the numbers are higher then the Original Xbox!
Maybe that but that 100% had nothign offensive to any person in this forum nor did it break the rules as I did not swear i did not do anything wrong i just got a little frustrated yeah every single person on this forum has had moments like that.
Lets trash the specs,specs are numbers but I guess it dosent matter in consoles its like the Ps2 vs Xbox the Ps2 won because it had more games but was weaker but that is why I dont get why the Wii is being treated negatively when it is the most fun console like the ps2 has alot of 3rd party support now?
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5. January 2007 @ 00:03 |
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the wii wont be as sucessful as the ps2 because nintendo dosent have as many 3rd party support as sony.
im kinda tired of ppl dissin on sony BR format...do you ppl seriously think that BR was made just for movies? Arent you forgetting that Ps3 games are BR? stop comparing the ps3 to a BR player. U all act like 360 hd dvd attachment is free or somethin cuz last time i checked 360 + hd dvd cost just as much as the ps3 and do you see any 360 game on hd dvds?
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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5. January 2007 @ 06:12 |
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dazila & CrisKahn2, edit your sig to comform to forum rules ASAP.
2. An image-only signature should be less than 50kb in size, and be at most 500 pixels wide and 200 pixels tall.
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5. January 2007 @ 06:45 |
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Originally posted by eman3d:
First let me say this- I am not loyal to any one system, i am a GAMER first. Not only am i a fan of vidoe games but i am a fan of business and over the last year it is my opinion that Sony as a business is in BIG trouble.
The PS3 is nothing more then a glorified Blu Rey player. Sony has decorated this player with a videogame system on top. They are forcing customers to become dedicated to Blu Rey whether they choose to or not. Big gamble considering there failures with Beta Max, Mini Disk, UMD's, etc. HD DVD is less expensive and looks just as good and most of all COST LESS. Another problem is MICROSOFT. The Xbox has been out for a whole year and is gaining a pretty nice install base which is constantly growing and what makes matters worse is the iminent price drop that is coming in May, 2007 in conjunction with the release of Halo 3 (wow!!) Another problem--- 3rd party developers are not dedicated to a system like the fans are, they are dedicated to making money. Case in point- Virtua Fighter 5. Sega initially announced this game as a PS3 exclusive but last week it was announced that it will be made for the 360 (i wonder why) Just recently a rumor has surfaced (Virtua Fighter 5 was a rumor too but look what happened) that Tekken 6 will be made for the 360. And recently the maker of Metal Gear Solid has recanted his previous statement that MGS4 can only be made on the PS3 to MGS4 CAN be made on the 360 (i wonder why?)I knew this would happen a year ago. 3rd party developers will start to jump ship.
The PS3 feels rushed and not polished. Simple things like playing custom tracks while playing a game is not possible (cell technology?) Whenever you download something you have to stop playing a game (cell technology?) No universal friends list, friends list only for particular game (why) Xbox does all the above with no problem.
With a year headstart for the Xbox and the Wii selling like hotcakes Sony has put itself in a bad position.
High Price
Loosing exclusive games
no unified internet service
a clunky user interface experience
The only thing thats left is a Blu Rey player and ironically it's the very reason why the Xbox has a year headstart and it's whats going to kill the PS3. Just my opinion.
LOL he is flaming every thread with the same post.
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Well im gonna tell yall I have a Wii but not gonna be a flame starter. I do see ur point but it is a cheap system and alot of fun. I think Zelda is a great game I great storyline good graphics(cant compare to PS3 though). Also swing teh controllers are not in all games Wii sports might be teh only one.
Just trying to make a point not disagreeing with u
Then you have to use the wii (mote) or however the hell it is spelt. I for one would rather just use a controller. But I like the wii it is pretty fun I think but Id rather play the ps3...
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That is where you are wrong I havent had any adult come to my house and not give a try on Wii-Sport even people that have never played a game console.
Well I dont think they would want to play by themselves all alone. And maybe they would but that just some people.....
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the wii wont be as sucessful as the ps2 because nintendo dosent have as many 3rd party support as sony.
Exactly my thoughts. Gamecube went dead a long time ago and ps2 well it is still going and will for a little more. I think the same thing will happen to the wii and ps3....
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5. January 2007 @ 07:24 |
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Just wanted to ask...
ps3 sold about 800,000 units and i see 5 units at my local bestbuy collecting dust...
wats up with that.?
oh just wanted to add... sony made a huge ass gamble with the Blu-ray and ps. if Blu-ray fails ps3 is down the drain. if ps3 looses Blu-ray is donw the drain. either way sony is down the drain. lol
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5. January 2007 @ 08:00 |
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And what exactly is wrong with Blu-ray. There was no risk. It is just better then a xbox 360 dvd because well Blu-ray can hold sooooooo much more information.
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5. January 2007 @ 08:04 |
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BR movies at 40 a pop,padding of 150-200 on PS3 price theres alot of reasons to dislike the PS3 BR,it only offers 1 or 2 things over the 360 in all its not the BR but the price of the system.
THe WII is great and the 360 is slowly getting better but frankly sony will get everythign again because they have the dev support.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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5. January 2007 @ 08:04 |
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ive mentioned before alot of the ps3's at the stores are returns from failed scalping, and te fact the ps3 comes in randomly any time any day. most people arnt out looking for it on a tuesday or wednesday, and if they see it they will probably be like "darn all my cash is at home" or "id didnt epect it here now..i dont have enough wt the moment." s3 shipments need to come uniformally like the wii comes every sunday usually.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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5. January 2007 @ 08:07 |
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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
BR movies at 40 a pop,padding of 150-200 on PS3 price theres alot of reasons to dislike the PS3 BR,it only offers 1 or 2 things over the 360 in all its not the BR but the price of the system.
THe WII is great and the 360 is slowly getting better but frankly sony will get everythign again because they have the dev support.
Yeah but I ment Blu-ray games not the movies. Because the movies like you mentioned are expensive and there is bairly and Blu-ray movies out their. The reason I like Blu-ray for the ps3 is because it can hold a lot more. But the other reason I think they switched over to Blu-ray is because sony ownes Blu-ray (Am I right?).
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5. January 2007 @ 08:10 |
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(my keyboard blows) a br movie is seldom over 30 dollars what are you talking about? and br is jointly owned by sony with other companies involved.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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5. January 2007 @ 08:11 |
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Yeah but I ment Blu-ray games not the movies. Because the movies like you mentioned are expensive and there is bairly and Blu-ray movies out their. The reason I like Blu-ray for the ps3 is because it can hold a lot more. But the other reason I think they switched over to Blu-ray is because sony ownes Blu-ray (Am I right?).
Mmmmm I would rather load 2-4 discs over the coarse of a week or month than pay 200 more for a system that is proving tis not about the games.
*L* my rant aside BR games only offer 2 things above normal DVD games 1 is loading once you remove compression and other disc save stuff BR is the same or better than DVD so in all meh
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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5. January 2007 @ 08:12 |
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Different countries have different prices. (like the dollar is worth more in other countries). Here in Canada Blu-ray movies cost 40 dolars brand new....
EDIT: Yeah I know that they could just make another disc but with so much room they can add more things that a normal dvd could not normally have...
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5. January 2007 @ 08:40 |
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Originally posted by face123:
Different countries have different prices. (like the dollar is worth more in other countries). Here in Canada Blu-ray movies cost 40 dolars brand new....
EDIT: Yeah I know that they could just make another disc but with so much room they can add more things that a normal dvd could not normally have...
thats the lovely thing they make money coming and going and yet wont slim down a bit to save money if they dont fool with the reign system then they can just press X amount number of videos for the world and be done with it,the number would be a few million copy's lower than what is curently pressed for each region,in the end they have to force some BS region system in order to make more money off some things and ignore their things. and they could easily add a software flag to the NTSC PS3 and have it convert "pal" to its outputs that would output in PAL for the EU region,we are talking about 20-50 to save consumers all over the world time and hassle yet they fail and thus moding shall go on.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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5. January 2007 @ 09:38 |
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I totally would support the ps3 if it didnt have Blu-ray! Very very bad move by sony to put such a good reputation of a gameing line on the line by adding worthless technonogy to early and possibly fail due to war.,
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5. January 2007 @ 09:42 |
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by adding worthless technonogy
You dont know mcuh about technology do you? How is adding Blu-ray to ps3 a bad thing. No infact it is a good thing.
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5. January 2007 @ 09:56 |
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if something moves forward, those unable to move with it hate it because they cant have it. if someone is used to dvd or to the small oppotunities of space it lets for gaming, then they could be ignorant of more and not care less because its easier to stay with what they have.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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5. January 2007 @ 10:06 |
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not because i cant move with it but because right now xXx on BD looks exactly the same as on upconverted xXx DVD. only DVD $20+$50= $70 but BD $600ps3+30$= 630$ I want my money back.
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