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Ps3 YLoD Attempted fix's. Any more ideas?
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Sticks38
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18. May 2009 @ 07:08 |
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I've reflowed my PS3 three times now, and just today it YLoDed yet again. It's only been lasting roughly a week after each reflow (although it lasted a good six weeks after the first fix). I'm going to try and find some liquid flux tomorrow and heat the chips more than I have been doing. Hopefully I can make this fix the last.
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panedi
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20. May 2009 @ 10:55 |
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please keep us informed on the progress
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leftmaybe
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21. May 2009 @ 08:29 |
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wanted to shout out very briefly to gilksy aka colinjest
you, my new friend, are a lifesaver.
i followed the pdf and videos you posted.
first time around, no luck.
second time, i heated the motherboard to about 700F for 20-25 secs per location. i also took my time spreading a very thin layer of arctic silver on the processors and making sure that none of the compound was on the rest of the board.
and boom. it worked. nothing lost. i played for 5 hours last night problem-free.
thank you SO MUCH. i was just telling my girlfriend that this is the first useful thing i've learned in months. i am no electronics wizard either. my stuff usually comes apart and dies because i can't get it back together. thank you again.
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panedi
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21. May 2009 @ 08:42 |
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you should take your backup now , because it might happen again and it may become a routine !
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chris2029
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21. May 2009 @ 11:44 |
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Hi All,
Signed up just to share this, sorry if you have already figured it out.
The clamp bolts used on the newer 40gb and 80gb models have a shorter shoulder to the ones used on the old 60gb models,
as you can guess I aquired some of these as they apply more presure, also you need to apply more compound than what the guides tels u.
I have had the ylod problem for quite some time when I started, using gilsky's guide fixed it for a while but never lasted, like the rrod 360's seem to suffer it only makes sence to follow trend were the x clamp fix is concerned, becuase of the crap led free soilder presure and conductivity seems to be the only option.
I used the m3 bolts from a 40gb carcas I boaugt from ebay, this was cheap as it had no blu ray controller card and I just wanted the board screws, at first i thought of using the clamp brakets from the 40gb model then realised they were the oposite way round from the 60gb model,
Anyway long story short, I took the 60gb model apart as I had the ylod again, realised that the thin spread of arctic silver I had applied had only touched three parts of each heat pad on the cooler, ether this is because the thin layer of compound is not enough or the claps are not pulling up on the cooler enough,
I cleaned it all down and re-applied the compound to each bga in a spread fashon as the guide states then added pea sized blob in the middle of each bga,
I looked at both bolts from the 40 and 60 gb models and thought "why not use the 40 gb models" the shoulders are shorter the thread is longer but they remain overall the same size, might as well seen as though the clamps wont fit,
I got out the pliers and bent the 60gb model clamps to give it more pressure again the using the new bolts claped every thingback together.
For me I have been using my 60gb model for 1 months and it still works now so this could be the answer.
One last thing to note : Once I clamped the cooler back on to the board I took the fan off and used my heat gun on high and heated up the bottom of the heat pads, you can see these wen you remove the fan part of the cooler about 30 seconds on each then let it rest you must not knock it or bend it while its hot and you must be carful not to melt the black bit of the cooler.
after it had cooled I re assembled and like I said its been working for 1 month so far.
peace out
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ashblk
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21. May 2009 @ 14:51 |
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I got a deal on a broken ps3 60 gig with the ylod for 100 bucks.
I know these systems were flawed but you think I should buy it? Or just save up for a new ps3?
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panedi
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21. May 2009 @ 15:23 |
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keep for a new one , u will get warranty !
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ashblk
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21. May 2009 @ 15:24 |
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what? keep for a new one?
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21. May 2009 @ 15:35 |
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Originally posted by chris2029: Hi All,
Signed up just to share this, sorry if you have already figured it out.
The clamp bolts used on the newer 40gb and 80gb models have a shorter shoulder to the ones used on the old 60gb models,
as you can guess I aquired some of these as they apply more presure, also you need to apply more compound than what the guides tels u.
I have had the ylod problem for quite some time when I started, using gilsky's guide fixed it for a while but never lasted, like the rrod 360's seem to suffer it only makes sence to follow trend were the x clamp fix is concerned, becuase of the crap led free soilder presure and conductivity seems to be the only option.
I used the m3 bolts from a 40gb carcas I boaugt from ebay, this was cheap as it had no blu ray controller card and I just wanted the board screws, at first i thought of using the clamp brakets from the 40gb model then realised they were the oposite way round from the 60gb model,
Anyway long story short, I took the 60gb model apart as I had the ylod again, realised that the thin spread of arctic silver I had applied had only touched three parts of each heat pad on the cooler, ether this is because the thin layer of compound is not enough or the claps are not pulling up on the cooler enough,
I cleaned it all down and re-applied the compound to each bga in a spread fashon as the guide states then added pea sized blob in the middle of each bga,
I looked at both bolts from the 40 and 60 gb models and thought "why not use the 40 gb models" the shoulders are shorter the thread is longer but they remain overall the same size, might as well seen as though the clamps wont fit,
I got out the pliers and bent the 60gb model clamps to give it more pressure again the using the new bolts claped every thingback together.
For me I have been using my 60gb model for 1 months and it still works now so this could be the answer.
One last thing to note : Once I clamped the cooler back on to the board I took the fan off and used my heat gun on high and heated up the bottom of the heat pads, you can see these wen you remove the fan part of the cooler about 30 seconds on each then let it rest you must not knock it or bend it while its hot and you must be carful not to melt the black bit of the cooler.
after it had cooled I re assembled and like I said its been working for 1 month so far.
bending the clamps is a valid point there my friend!
like the 360 version fix were you can add extra clamps to hold it all down tight!
as for the compound.........too much is bad!!!!!!
the idea it to couple both faces together optimizing heat transfer!
to much compound and you will actually decouple the surfaces!
stick with the bending of the clamps after a reflow! but not the adding extra compound!
good luck
hope it lasts
gilksy
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panedi
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21. May 2009 @ 17:13 |
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hey all, i reflowed one more time the console and it worked again as usual , but the next day i opened it , it couldn't connect to the internet (both ethernet and wifi) and also nothing bluetooth could connect as well (controllers and headset) ..i suspect it has to do with the bluetooth board but i cant understand why it won't connect via ethernet online since its on the motherboard .. so i would like some help from you guys ..
it will help me a lot if someone of you try and open the console without the bluetooth board connected and try to connect to the net via ethernet so i can understand if the problem has to do with the bluetooth board or the motherboard itself !
thanks in advance !
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blklotus
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22. May 2009 @ 01:43 |
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Originally posted by panedi: hey all, i reflowed one more time the console and it worked again as usual , but the next day i opened it , it couldn't connect to the internet (both ethernet and wifi) and also nothing bluetooth could connect as well (controllers and headset) ..i suspect it has to do with the bluetooth board but i cant understand why it won't connect via ethernet online since its on the motherboard .. so i would like some help from you guys ..
it will help me a lot if someone of you try and open the console without the bluetooth board connected and try to connect to the net via ethernet so i can understand if the problem has to do with the bluetooth board or the motherboard itself !
thanks in advance !
I had this problem once with a console not connecting to wifi/bluetooth and it turned out for me that the problem was the ribbon cable not being properly seated. I would check this first. I do know for a fact tho that if the board isnt detected the machine will power up normally but wifi/bluetooth wont work at all, so im suspecting this is a connection problem (like mine)
However if your ribbon cable turns out to be ok and your still having issues let us know. (I have a couple spare wifi boards if you need one)
Wiiman
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blklotus
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22. May 2009 @ 01:53 |
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Originally posted by colinjest: Originally posted by chris2029: Hi All,
Signed up just to share this, sorry if you have already figured it out.
The clamp bolts used on the newer 40gb and 80gb models have a shorter shoulder to the ones used on the old 60gb models,
as you can guess I aquired some of these as they apply more presure, also you need to apply more compound than what the guides tels u.
I have had the ylod problem for quite some time when I started, using gilsky's guide fixed it for a while but never lasted, like the rrod 360's seem to suffer it only makes sence to follow trend were the x clamp fix is concerned, becuase of the crap led free soilder presure and conductivity seems to be the only option.
I used the m3 bolts from a 40gb carcas I boaugt from ebay, this was cheap as it had no blu ray controller card and I just wanted the board screws, at first i thought of using the clamp brakets from the 40gb model then realised they were the oposite way round from the 60gb model,
Anyway long story short, I took the 60gb model apart as I had the ylod again, realised that the thin spread of arctic silver I had applied had only touched three parts of each heat pad on the cooler, ether this is because the thin layer of compound is not enough or the claps are not pulling up on the cooler enough,
I cleaned it all down and re-applied the compound to each bga in a spread fashon as the guide states then added pea sized blob in the middle of each bga,
I looked at both bolts from the 40 and 60 gb models and thought "why not use the 40 gb models" the shoulders are shorter the thread is longer but they remain overall the same size, might as well seen as though the clamps wont fit,
I got out the pliers and bent the 60gb model clamps to give it more pressure again the using the new bolts claped every thingback together.
For me I have been using my 60gb model for 1 months and it still works now so this could be the answer.
One last thing to note : Once I clamped the cooler back on to the board I took the fan off and used my heat gun on high and heated up the bottom of the heat pads, you can see these wen you remove the fan part of the cooler about 30 seconds on each then let it rest you must not knock it or bend it while its hot and you must be carful not to melt the black bit of the cooler.
after it had cooled I re assembled and like I said its been working for 1 month so far.
bending the clamps is a valid point there my friend!
like the 360 version fix were you can add extra clamps to hold it all down tight!
as for the compound.........too much is bad!!!!!!
the idea it to couple both faces together optimizing heat transfer!
to much compound and you will actually decouple the surfaces!
stick with the bending of the clamps after a reflow! but not the adding extra compound!
good luck
hope it lasts
gilksy
I think gilksy has a point here, the thermal compound is only there to conduct heat, too much of it and it simply doesnt do the job. As for the rebending of the clamps/using the bolts from the new 40gig units this is definately worth looking into.
I've been thinking a lot lately about what actually causes the ylod in the first place and why a lot of people are having to contantly reflow their systems. My thoughts on it are as follows.
1. The system is naturally exposed to extreme heating a cooling, causing the metal clamp plates to flex. Over time they will lose their bend and not hold as well. I figure this is whats causing the solder on the chips to crack/break connection.
2. The reflow works in the short term because you are remelting the solder joints, but im thinking in most cases only slightly..So as soon as the clamps flex again from the heat your back to square one.
3. The liquid flux idea seems to help the remelt, as does a longer, higher heat reflow.
Im gonna look into the new bolts and do some measuring as it may help to solve the ylod prolem. I know we're close here guys, Keep posting!!
P.S How many people wonder if Sony engineers are reading this thread hoping we really find a solution :)
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panedi
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22. May 2009 @ 05:14 |
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i dont think it's the ribbon cable because the previous day the bluetooth worked fine ,and the next time that happened without me opening it at all...
i really have to know first if an ethernet connection can be established without the bluetooth board connected , else i believe it will be a waste for me to buy a new bluetooth board cause that will mean that the problem has to do with the motherboard if it gets connected!
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panedi
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22. May 2009 @ 14:28 |
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guys please can someone do the test ? i really need to know if it works or now so i can buy the parts, else i am gonna buy a new one...
please i would appreciate it!
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blklotus
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22. May 2009 @ 14:43 |
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Originally posted by panedi: guys please can someone do the test ? i really need to know if it works or now so i can buy the parts, else i am gonna buy a new one...
please i would appreciate it!
Tested the wifi without the board connected and wifi doesnt work. (Did a connection test, comes back and says it timed out, no other errors) As for the wired connection on the mainboard sorry but the way my computers are laid out I cant test it. Hope this helps
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panedi
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22. May 2009 @ 14:47 |
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no you misunderstood me . i need you to do an ethernet connection without the Bluetooth board connect ...not a wifi connection...since wi fi antenna is connected on the bluetooth board..can you give it one more go please ? i really have to know !
just tell me if it connects via ethernet without the BT board connected , thats all i need to know
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panedi
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22. May 2009 @ 14:51 |
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just noticed you cant test it :P thats okay appreciate the help ! anyone else can try please ?
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Sticks38
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22. May 2009 @ 21:17 |
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Originally posted by Sticks38: I've reflowed my PS3 three times now, and just today it YLoDed yet again. It's only been lasting roughly a week after each reflow (although it lasted a good six weeks after the first fix). I'm going to try and find some liquid flux tomorrow and heat the chips more than I have been doing. Hopefully I can make this fix the last.
OK guys, I've found some flux so on my next inevitable YLoD I'll be using some of that as well as a longer and hotter reflow than usaul. I'll also bend those clamps as well to try to get more pressure on the board.
Whenever I take the system apart, there never seems to be much of the Arctic Silver on the cooling system, but I'm confidant I'm putting on the right amount of compound. I don't want to put more on than usual, so hopefully the extra clamp pressure helps with the heat transfer.
I'll let you guys know how I go.
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tchex
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23. May 2009 @ 05:02 |
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Originally posted by panedi: just noticed you cant test it :P thats okay appreciate the help ! anyone else can try please ?
Panedi, for your info : after my last (2nd) YOLD I forgot to plug the blutooth / wifi board.
-> no ethernet connection possible
I replugged it and everything works fine now.
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panedi
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23. May 2009 @ 07:31 |
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thanks for your reply , so i guess i am gonna order a new bluetooth board and see how it goes!
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Endru
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24. May 2009 @ 10:57 |
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Okay, I know this is a dumb question but can someone make a picture of what clamps do I need to apply pressure? Where are those clamps?
I am going to attempt my second reflow sometime, and I want it to be the last..
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panedi
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24. May 2009 @ 18:35 |
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its the two metal things with the 4 fat screws that tie the cooler with the motherboard!
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chris2029
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24. May 2009 @ 19:49 |
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Originally posted by colinjest: Originally posted by chris2029: Hi All,
Signed up just to share this, sorry if you have already figured it out.
The clamp bolts used on the newer 40gb and 80gb models have a shorter shoulder to the ones used on the old 60gb models,
as you can guess I aquired some of these as they apply more presure, also you need to apply more compound than what the guides tels u.
I have had the ylod problem for quite some time when I started, using gilsky's guide fixed it for a while but never lasted, like the rrod 360's seem to suffer it only makes sence to follow trend were the x clamp fix is concerned, becuase of the crap led free soilder presure and conductivity seems to be the only option.
I used the m3 bolts from a 40gb carcas I boaugt from ebay, this was cheap as it had no blu ray controller card and I just wanted the board screws, at first i thought of using the clamp brakets from the 40gb model then realised they were the oposite way round from the 60gb model,
Anyway long story short, I took the 60gb model apart as I had the ylod again, realised that the thin spread of arctic silver I had applied had only touched three parts of each heat pad on the cooler, ether this is because the thin layer of compound is not enough or the claps are not pulling up on the cooler enough,
I cleaned it all down and re-applied the compound to each bga in a spread fashon as the guide states then added pea sized blob in the middle of each bga,
I looked at both bolts from the 40 and 60 gb models and thought "why not use the 40 gb models" the shoulders are shorter the thread is longer but they remain overall the same size, might as well seen as though the clamps wont fit,
I got out the pliers and bent the 60gb model clamps to give it more pressure again the using the new bolts claped every thingback together.
For me I have been using my 60gb model for 1 months and it still works now so this could be the answer.
One last thing to note : Once I clamped the cooler back on to the board I took the fan off and used my heat gun on high and heated up the bottom of the heat pads, you can see these wen you remove the fan part of the cooler about 30 seconds on each then let it rest you must not knock it or bend it while its hot and you must be carful not to melt the black bit of the cooler.
after it had cooled I re assembled and like I said its been working for 1 month so far.
bending the clamps is a valid point there my friend!
like the 360 version fix were you can add extra clamps to hold it all down tight!
as for the compound.........too much is bad!!!!!!
the idea it to couple both faces together optimizing heat transfer!
to much compound and you will actually decouple the surfaces!
stick with the bending of the clamps after a reflow! but not the adding extra compound!
good luck
hope it lasts
gilksy
I found that the two surfaces are not 100% flat and thats why you need more than what the giude states,
I have taken three apart after ylodding again 2 40gb and 1 60gb, each one had dry spots after disassembly.
after smoothing the compound on, if you put a small dab in the middle of the bga's it makes 100% contact,
Then just to add for more pressure one 6.4mm c-type washer to each clamp screw,
This works PROPPER
Thanks
peace out
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Endru
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25. May 2009 @ 13:15 |
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Originally posted by panedi: its the two metal things with the 4 fat screws that tie the cooler with the motherboard!
Okay I got it. Thank you!
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blklotus
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28. May 2009 @ 12:38 |
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Hey guys,
Just a quick update here, I have now repaired 4 additional units using liquid flux and all 4 are still working perfectly :) I would seriously recommend this to anyone who has had to reflow their machine more than once.
Anyways I also have a PS3 with a different kind of YLOD failure and im hoping someone can help me out. What this machine is doing is starting and running for about 5 seconds (the amount of time it takes the unit to boot up) then just when you would expect to see the startup screen it YLOD's out. Also the machine will let me adjust the display settings, (switch between composit and HDMI) and will format hard drives. Its just when it tries to boot up the system that it fails.
I've tried the reflow to no avail and im thinking this is a corrupt firmware situation, however (and heres the kicker) this is an older 60gb machine and doesnt have the system restore menu! So if anyone else has come across a machine with this problem or knows how to restore/overwrite the firmware without using the restore menu let me know.
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