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10. April 2006 @ 11:45 |
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@docTY: Hey, thanks for the scoop on the MCC004s. If you'd "recommend" them (the golden word I look for on this site, as that means they pass the tests of the holy trinity of media: compatibility, quality, and durability), then I'll certainly buy them if the price is right. If you can make such a comparison, how would you rate them compared to the MCC003s? I'm going to guess they're slightly worse, as 16x technology is still coming into its own, but it's really not that big of a deal, since if you're recommending them, that means they're "good enough." For instance, those Sony D21s you mentioned... I personally don't mind that media at all. It is not great media, in my opinion, and I would not recommend it, but it does get the job done, and I've never burned a coaster or had a disc that wouldn't play burning at 8x. That being said, because I do want the best quality I can get for the money, I won't be buying any more of that particular media, because there is better stuff out there, like the MCC004s. It's become VERY easy to decide what media I'll be sticking with. Thanks for the info, doc, and happy burning!
PS: As to the arrogance vs. intelligence discussion, I haven't found the two to be mutually exclusive (in myself, or others) in all cases. I've known many smart people who lord that intelligence over others, because being intelligent does not always produce an equivalent amount of wisdom to recognize that rubbing someone's nose in your greatness only hinders your overall growth. In the end, I'll pick the person who may not possess great amounts of knowledge, but has a great desire to learn over someone who knows quite a bit, but misses future learning opportunities because he or she is afraid of being wrong.
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10. April 2006 @ 17:46 |
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Yeah that K guy is a bloated idiot. If you're too classy to say it, allow me. He's so high on his own deluded sense of DVD Burning superiority, he doesn't even consider the possibility that he could mistaken or fallable. My day to day experiences are exactly as Doc says, TDK's own media isn't top notch. There are people who get by with it, but I've run into several people who had boot failures with TDK, that magically disappeared when they switched to TY or Verbatim. (Coincidence? lol). Optodisc and Infodisc are second class? *Cough Cough*. There's nothing wrong with that guide, and I feel it's a good place to start out for newbies. It's not 100% accurate, but'll give you an idea of what's good (TY's and Verb's) and what's crap (CMC Mag). Once you know enough to make your own distinctions, you begin to realize its limitations. Just because noone has bothered to compile a more up to date, accurate media guide, doesn't make the digitalfaq guide the Canon of DVD Media.
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10. April 2006 @ 23:47 |
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can't remember what thread i (yesterday evening) saw the new Verb TY discs (16x +R YUDEN000T03) at svp, but i gotta get me a load of those to try. expect complaints in the media forum as to short supplies of those soon :O
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Just curious Creaky, do you still use RitekG05? Also, why are the Datalife Verb's cheaper on a lot of sites than the regular branded Verb's?
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11. April 2006 @ 00:09 |
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hi, i used exactly 50 G05's (printables) as a test, ie just something different from Verb's. they were absolutely fine but i then discovered Verb TY and there was no looking back (well apart from having to buy MCC004 as Verb TY are like gold dust). however now there's the new Verb TY so it'd be rude not to try loads of those.
as to Datalife Verb's, dunno, haven't used them. i personally don't like using MCC that aren't sold by Verbatim, just my pet thing, ppl always say that anyone else's MCC discs should be the same, but i don't know about that. so i personally stay clear and get the Verb branded ones. just making sure i'm clear in that's my personal opinion in case someone comes along moaning :)
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11. April 2006 @ 00:28 |
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http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=1082
jealousy rears it's ugly head...grrrrrrrrrrrr...man, i'm going to move over there by you creaky~ :)
i think this is a pretty fair price no?
15.99 for a tub of 50 piece? only a bit more than the 6 for tubs of 25 of the MCC004s?
anyways, i wish i could get them...i would probably "load up" (ie. quantity: 20) on them faster than you can click "checkout" creaky~ :)
@tokijin
as to the price discrepency here in the States between the Datalife/Datalife plus and the "regular" Verbatims, often times, it's because the "datalife" are "older stock"...many companies want to sell the remainder of the older stock just to clear warehouse/inventory space...i have PERSONALLY found NO difference between the datalifeplus and the "regular" Verbatims...it was Verbatim would decided to "ditch" the whole "datalife" marketing name awhile back, the media is still made with the high quality that comes to be expected with MCC coding... :)
so, bottom line: "datalife/datalifeplus" is just the name Verbatim used on the packaging from last year and even earlier, the product itself is IDENTICAL to the "regular" Verbatims without the "datalife/datalifeplus" wording on the wrapper these days. both utilize the Advanced Azo dye, once again, just another "marketing" thang..nothing to be worried over...those 'datalife' ones are "old stock" no doubt about that, since Verbatim dropped that name some time ago.
la la la...grumble grumble...i want me some more YUDEN000T03s...any prime real estate over in ur area creaky? i want to check out the UK one of these days...perhaps a vacation of sorts and then imma bring back 20lbs and a suitcase full of media back to the U.S. LOL~ :)
good day you 2
docTy~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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11. April 2006 @ 00:31 |
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severe blonde moment by the young creaky lad there. i was thinking of datasafe. i must be in a world of my own not to see datalife as Verb datalife. Arghh... more coffee needed :@
now my comment should have been along the lines of "as to <insert any brand using MCC's here>, dunno, haven't used enough non-Verbatim branded MCC's to be subjective. i personally don't like using MCC that aren't sold by Verbatim, just my pet thing, ppl always say that anyone else's MCC discs should be the same, but i don't know about that. so i personally stay clear and get the Verb branded ones. just making sure i'm clear in that's my personal opinion in case someone comes along moaning :)"
that should make more sense and again it's just my choice not to use, say MCC made by Datawrite, as an example..
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11. April 2006 @ 00:42 |
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severe blonde moment by the young creaky lad there. i was thinking of datasafe. i must be in a world of my own not to see datalife as Verb datalife. Arghh... more coffee needed :@
hehe, being in europe, you guys have all the datasafe/datawrite/datamolestor/dataRIGHT/datawROnG/etc. that we here in the U.S. don't have~ :) i will have to agree with you that just because the MID is "MCC" coded, they are NOT created equal...it's much more widespread over there in Europe than it is over here in the U.S., but i wholeheartedly agree with your comment creaky...
datalife sounds very close to datasafe/datawrite...reading thru these forums and threads as fast as you, i can imagine a quick relapse in company branding recognition... :)
blitz on creaky...
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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11. April 2006 @ 00:51 |
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Am I right in guessing that the "steering clear of non-Verb MCC media" is due not to variances in the quality of Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.'s products, but rather due to the large number of false MID coding for MCC media? I'm just curious if there are actually variances in true MCC media, or just a bunch of low-end copycats out there.
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11. April 2006 @ 00:57 |
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Am I right in guessing that the "steering clear of non-Verb MCC media" is due not to variances in the quality of Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.'s products, but rather due to the large number of false MID coding for MCC media?
CORRECT-A-MUNDO~!! :) u are right on the money there delateur~
as to the actual "variance" between MCC coded Verbatim's media, the possibility of a "bad batch" is definitely there, as is true with ALL manufacturers; but generally speaking, Verbatim (the company/brand) has been very good about keeping their media quality controls high, even though sometimes a few "bad batches" do slip by on occasion~ :)
docTY~
edit: as to the "copycats" or other "brands" that use the MCC coded/produced media and sell it under their OWN brand, these are often times "factory 2nd/over-production/grade B quality media/etc" that's how these no-name or "small name" companies survive, they purchase the "factory 2nds" or "lower grade left-overs" to sell under their own brand, as the old saying goes, "if you build it, they will come" LOL...this holds true in the media market as well...smaller companies scroungin' for "leftovers" from the big companies to make some $$$ to the unweary consumer...
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
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Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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11. April 2006 @ 05:12 |
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15.99 for a tub of 50 piece? only a bit more than the 6 for tubs of 25 of the MCC004s?
Doc, Doc, Doc ... that's £15.99 (GBP) not $15.99 (USD) ... £15.99 = $27.89
We still (at least in my limited experience) have the lowest media prices right here in the USofA ...
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11. April 2006 @ 05:32 |
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@catfreak
notice how i didn't include the dollar sign? LOL...i don't know how to type that "british pound" sign on my computer hahahaha...i'm a newbie~ :)
but, you catch my drift, i just put the price (with no bearing on the actual currency used) due to my inability to find that symbol~ LOL
i admit we have the best prices over here in the U.S., however, european media offerings are much more diverse than ours (at least with the "good stuff" namely the YUDEN000T03s) :)
have a good one...
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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11. April 2006 @ 05:42 |
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£
to type in a pound sign Doc, hold down the alt key and type in 0163
Windows has a small program found under system tools, called character map. open it up, it will list all of the possible characters that a particular font can generate. Click on the desired symbol and it will tell you which keystrokes are needed to generate that character.
alt0177 gives you the dreaded plus/minus sign ±.
This only works if you use the keypad I think.
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11. April 2006 @ 05:51 |
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@blivetNC
thanks for the educational lesson, i am a big newbie when it comes to character maps and such, never really had a big need to use various symbols and characters, so i never learned how to do it~ :)
i appreciate you showing me how though, see, i learn something new everyday from the good people here at AD~ :) ☺
very kool, thank you~ :) i'm on my laptop right now so i don't have the numerical keypad on the right hand side of this keyboard, but will try it out thoroughly when i get home...have a good one my friend~
docTy~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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11. April 2006 @ 06:05 |
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@blivetNC your correct about the keypad thanks ± £ ├ ╝ ? cool
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@docTY: Thank you for the clarification! It's interesting to me that MCC would allow other companies to sell lower quality versions of its media, as that somewhat detracts from the manufacturer's name. I would have thought they would stick with only producing the best and let other companies release things that might bear a similar name, but don't come anywhere close to the quality of the actual media. I suppose that once you know which companies only market the high end MCC, you're fine, but still... I find I respect a company a bit more if they commit unswervingly to quality and won't let ANY of their "lesser" media reach the public, unless of course that "lesser" media still produces amazing results. Is that how Taiyo Yuden operates, as well, or do they only release their highest quality media to the public and scrap the rest?
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11. April 2006 @ 20:19 |
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datamolestor
That's an interesting name for a brand of DVD Media. Technically CMC Mag has been molesting people's data for years.
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11. April 2006 @ 21:35 |
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Is that how Taiyo Yuden operates, as well, or do they only release their highest quality media to the public and scrap the rest?
well, for the MOST part as i don't know the internal logistics of both Mitsubishi Chemical Corp and Taiyo Yuden, i believe they only sell their grade A media (that has passed all their testings) under their OWN brand name to the consumer markets... :)
if you take the time to think about how the smaller companies get their hands on "factory seconds," it does appear to be kinda fishy for the large quality manufacturers such as TY or MCC~ :) but, with all the FAKE MID codings out there, you really never know if either TY or MCC sell their "grade B" or "less than grade A" media to potential buyers...i can't give you a definitive answer because i simply do not know for certain.
many of the smaller companies produce their own media, whether it be in hong kong or china or even taiwan, they just happen to "borrow" a reputable MID coding from the known quality manufacturers to sell their own crappy product...that's why you see so many problems with people who buy off of ebay and such, they are fooled into purchasing genuine Taiyo Yudens for such a good price, that they never think that it might be fake...later issues should get them thinking about the validity of how authentic their media actually is~ :)
whether or not MCC and TY actually sell their "less than grade A" media to prospective buyers, i don't know for certain...the HONEST thing to do would be to destroy the media that didn't pass their stringent tests; but whether or not they abide by this, you would have to go to the board of directors on that one, because i can ASSURE you simply calling/emailing a sales rep or their customer service number/email, you will NOT get an accurate answer~ :)
general rule of thumb: it's always wise to purchase media that is BRANDED by their known parent company/sister company as that gives you the best chance of getting GENUINE and grade A products, if there is a problem with them, issues can be directed back to the company to get a resolution out of it...whereas, if you find a MID code that you KNOW is a good one (MCC or TY) but are skeptical about it's country of origin or the price is "too good to be true"; often times, it's FAKE and/or a cheap imitation/knockoff of the genuine article~ :) or as we discussed earlier, POSSIBLY "factory 2nds" that have been sold to the highest bidder only to be marketed under their own company brand. :)
docTY~
p.s. big business is always about profit, i don't know how high "morality" of any sorts would apply to marketing media globally, for instance, if i had a product that was "over-produced" or were "irregular" to a very small, un-noticeable by the naked eye degree, the SMART thing to do would be to try to "dump" and/or sell this remaining inventory to the highest bidder, if i was going to destroy them all anyways, why not recoop SOME of the initial cost of production? yes, all values/morality is thrown out the window at this point, but when it's YOU or YOUR COMPANY losing money, you have a completely different 'take' on the whole situation... :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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12. April 2006 @ 02:18 |
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@docTY: Ok, I wasn't sure if you were privy to that sort of information or not. It just got me thinking about the responsibility of the manufacturer vs. the branding/distribution company(s) to protect the integrity of the media by distinguishing the authentic media from the fake. It may very well be that MCC sells the media that does not pass its quality tests to other brands with lower standards. It does make good financial sense, of course, and probably doesn't weaken the manufacturer's name much, since, in the case of MCC, I don't believe they distribute unbranded media. Ah well, either way, thanks for entertaining my musings. :)
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12. April 2006 @ 05:55 |
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@Tokijin
I agree, CMC should adopt that as their corporate slogan.
"We have been molesting people's data for years."
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That's an interesting name for a brand of DVD Media. Technically CMC Mag has been molesting people's data for years.
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12. April 2006 @ 05:59 |
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@Doc, you're welcome and thanks for all the valuable info you've passed out as well!
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... yes it would .. however, big business is shareholder driven .. and the powers that be (CEO etc..) are only worried about their cushy jobs which they keep by inflating the company's 'bottom line' in whatever way possible .. and, to be honest, if there's a market for 'factory seconds' then it makes prudent sense to fill it .. I mean, companies do it with clothing among other products, so why should media be any different? Ecologically speaking, it's a good thing also ...
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Ecologically speaking, it's a good thing also ...
Well, to play devil's advocate here, part of the reason they would discard factory 2nds is that the consumer is going to end up throwing them away anyway, at least with a much higher probability than the product that is actually "fit to sell."
I do agree with both the tone and message of the rest, entirely, however. Corporations being beholden to the almighty dollar (or whatever other unit of currency you prefer, although corporations that serve the dollar are probably far worse than those serving another monetary unit) is probably one of the fundamentally worst models in business today. I have a Masters in Business Administration, and what they TAUGHT me about business is not what is actually practiced in business. I remember my Business Ethics classes, and many other classes that touched on similar material quite clearly. The models I was taught emphasized that a company that focuses on the quickest way to earn revenue (i.e. selling factory 2nds) is not in business for the long term, but is rather more like a snake oil salesman, out for the fast buck, then off to the next town before the authorities can catch up with the charlatan. A long term business does not tend to generate as large a profit, and when starting out usually takes longer to earn a profit, but they build a firm foundation focusing almost entirely on consumer trust and mutual respect. Much like real relationships, a good business relationship takes time and effort to build, and the rewards that are reaped are far greater than those that can be measured in dollars. Brand loyalty is a powerful business tool, and one that I wish I saw used much more often than it is currently.
In the case of MCC (or any other high quality manufacturer), my loyalty is enhanced by knowing they either discard the factory 2nds, or at least ensure that this lower quality media would still live up to a consumer's expectations of at least respectable quality (much like my opinion of the 16x MIT Sony DVD+Rs - I will avoid them in the future, but they are certainly not bad discs). Don't get me wrong, I love a good buy, but I love quality more. :)
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Havent posted in a while, but lurking often, finally crawling out from my hole. A warning to all on this media thread (even though most wouldnt touch them on purpose), run fast if anyone tries selling the benefits of inexpensive PLAYO discs. I got a few DL discs from a friend because I always tell him to use the good stuff and have sold him my blank TY's before but he wanted me to check out one he burned (new Plexi model, not sure exact type) and I asked him for a blank. He was all excited because they were a dollar each instead of normal prices for DL and he didnt care that it wouldnt play on one standalone player, it would on the one he wanted. DVD Identifier says RICHOJPN I can't play the one he burnt on the 4 different players at home or computer, neither of my burners would even recognize the blank and I thought a BenQ 1640(BSOB) would have no problems. I'm glad it wont even mess with cheap media.
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12. April 2006 @ 15:09 |
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Was the MID RICHOJPN or RICOHJPN? If it is true Ricoh media, I ...thought... that Ricoh was actually fairly decent stuff. This is from what I've been reading on the forums, of course. Maybe not the kind of media docTY would recommend, but certainly far from junk... Perhaps the reason for the compatibility problems was that it was not booktyped to DVD-ROM? I know that my standalones absolutely despise + format DVD media unless I booktype it to DVD-ROM. Stutters, no disc errors, you name it...
However, that being said, the only consensus I have seen on DL media is strictly Verbatim DVD+R DLs. Those are made in Singapore and basically conform to the high quality standards that Verbatim has become known for.
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