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7. May 2006 @ 11:00 |
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Well that's a little beyond my means. The short answer, you have to get processors and mobos that're Linux compatible (that may not be 100% correct, I'm not certain there's anything that won't work with Linux), then install the Linux OS (Ubuntu and SUSE are common ones). A ton of mobos/processors are Linux compatible. You can get Linux discs just like AOL discs, pick them up at a store, or request one be sent to you at no charge. I'm not certain that it's permanent OS, rather than a trial. I at least know you can try it for free. I'm hesitant to get into specifics, as I don't know a ton about Linux. The best way to go when you're ready, is to build a PC from scratch. You'll save yourself a ton of money, and be able to customize it to your liking. In short you can build a formidable rig for 1/3 the cost you'll pay Dell to do it, and it'll be five times as powerful as an OEM PC. I'm in the process of absorbing all the PC knowledge I can right now. I'm going to build a new PC within a year from scratch. I want to be ready when the time comes. Anyway that's just my idea. Once you reach a certain level of PC knowledge, it becomes apparent you have to build your own rig. I guess I'm just at that point.
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7. May 2006 @ 12:09 |
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@Tokijin
I have come to the same conclusion, but have not attained the knowledge to build one yet. Vista may just be the downfall of Gates' monopoly on OS. Not many other options but Linux left.
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7. May 2006 @ 12:16 |
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Me either man. That's why it's a good thing we have places like this to learn. Mac is in pretty heavy with the DRM too, so Linux may be the only way to go. If enough people leave for Linux, then the software developers will follow.
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7. May 2006 @ 12:32 |
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i just used dvd indentafier on those 8x maxell dvd+r.they coded out as maxell002
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MAXELL-002-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Hitachi Maxell Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [MAXELL]
Media Type ID : [002]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.3.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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so should i use these or pawn them off on my buddy (the guy who gave me the windata that were fake ty's)im not out much found them at my local biglots for 4 bucks for 15 disc
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7. May 2006 @ 12:50 |
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You should absolutely use those, they're fantastic media. I'd put them in the same class as TY and Verb's.
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7. May 2006 @ 12:53 |
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well its ashame the yonly had 1 little 15cake box of them the rest were mit's i think .thats the only reason i picked them up cause they said mij, plus at $4 not really out of anything
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lon
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7. May 2006 @ 13:30 |
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I know this is off topic (yet) but the use of Linux is
in just about everybody's future that won't use Longhorn/
Vista or whatever it is.
Me? I'm still happily using 98SE. But I've also had some
contact with Linux.
Getting a Linux distro is one of the few things you can
do on bittorrents with no worries about anything.
The ISO file that bittorrents finds can be burned to a
3 cent cd with Nero.
The Linux program I've used in native mode to burn
stuff is called k3b. k3b is not really part of the
dvd burning world yet, but there are even authoring
and editing tools that Linux has available and in development.
Linux is not ready for prime time. I have a lot of
beefs with everything about it.
But if you have a 'live cd' version there are no
restrictions on usage, the kb3 program is right on the
desktop that loads and it is virtually ready to use.
If you don't want to be a part of the Vista squeeze
at least get a feel for what Linux has.
I've vowed that I will never buy another M$ operating
system. But I've also come to understand that learning
Unix based software is slow. The Linux distributions
are _all free_ for the media to put them on, they're
updated all the time, and there's a large help community
available.
Perhaps the best way to start with it (which may take years)
is to dedicate a hard drive to it and focus one thing:
how to make or decrypt or shrink a job. There is _some_
translation software from Linux to Windows to use Win
progs on a Linux OS. doom9 and other sites have guides
on how to do all this.
I'm just saying that this is important for a large community
of users to get involved with _before the door closes_ in
the Windows operating system world. To continue this discussion
maybe a new thread is necessary. I'd prefer keeping it here.
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7. May 2006 @ 13:38 |
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Has anyone reading this thread tried the Vista betas? What are your opinions of it?
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7. May 2006 @ 15:49 |
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Your right, we should start a new thread for this, and I say it's never to soon, because right around the corner this is gonna be a problem that is going to affect all of us computer users and especially people that use afterdawn often, I've never started a new thread, is anybody out there game, and give it a name, I'm ready and eager to learn as much as I can and as fast as I can, especially when your not a computer wiz like myself, and it seems to make a transition to linux or whomever does not sound easy, so by all means can somebody please start one. Thanks.
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lon
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7. May 2006 @ 16:07 |
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@FredBun
http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/163
This should get you to the after dawnlinux forum.
It's right here but not highly used (70 threads, 3 pages.)
I cannot follow all the threads in the world. So for a general
discussion from an unbiased used-to-be Linux user, I'll
subscribe to whichever topic you start and set up the usual
email notification like I did here. Just PM me or something
when you get it going. My email should be on here someplace.
or at least come back and give the name of the thread you start
here.
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7. May 2006 @ 16:32 |
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Like anything, Linux is only as good as the user's knowledge level. A couple people I know run all types of things on Linux. They can emu Mac OSX and Windows XP. I sure as hell can't do that right now, I haven't even pushed XP to the brink. But the potential is awesome if people're willing to learn.
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8. May 2006 @ 03:51 |
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@
this thread needs to be up'd as a section in dvd±r discussion
for the obvious reasons...
NEC ND-3550A
BENQ DW1640 BSQB x2
PHILIPS DVDR1648,DVDR1660
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lon
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8. May 2006 @ 12:01 |
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Suit yourself. For any thread that's posted, I won't have
any Linux how-tos specifically. It'd be a general
discussion on things to look for in it's development.
My favorite discussion on this was a a listserv under the
topic "What's wrong with Linux?" I had some long responses.
They thought I was a troll. That's another thing wrong
with Linux. ;-)
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9. May 2006 @ 04:21 |
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one of my pet peeves is the attitude problems you get off ppl in Linux google groups. Knowledgeable ppl but you ask something in slightly the wrong way and 600 of the 'experts' go for the jugular. One of the reasons i try to never ask questions and just google all the more :)
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9. May 2006 @ 05:42 |
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@ creaky
As a moderator you can start the Linux thread then.
Just tell me what it's called because I'm only
subscribed to this thread.
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9. May 2006 @ 05:54 |
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lon
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9. May 2006 @ 06:07 |
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I suggested that to the other interested poster and
somebody here said put it in dvd plus minus ...whatevs.
I'll respond to questions in relation to sound and multi-
media and other things about working with linux as a past user
of about a year's duration. the thread would have to
be something like Linuxwatch for Afterdawn for those who are
curious about it but don't want to be flamed for using
the linux forums. Like you said, Linux forums look friendly
at first but they have a high level of intolerance. From
personal conversations with Linux users here where I live,
I know that even though they talk about widening the
the user base what they really prize is exclusivity.
The model for a true open source product is FireFox whose
developers at Mozilla really do want all the market share
that Internet Explorer has but keeps the product free.
Linuxwatch, for these reasons, doesn't belong in the
linux forums... it's for discussion and preparing for moving
off Windows when the time is right. I have some ideas for those
who would like to stick their big toe in the water from
someone who got in about up to his ankles. ;-)
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9. May 2006 @ 17:24 |
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This may be a little off topic :P
I'm a TY thermal lacquer virgin, so bear with me here. They have slightly rubbery/sticky edges, and, looking at the side, it looks like glue is seaping between the two layers, or that the edges are chipped. Is this normal?
GG000106, DVD-R, Premium, Thermal Lacquer from supermediastore.com
Also, is there any reduction in lifetime when burning at higher speeds? Or does it just reduce reliability?
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9. May 2006 @ 19:36 |
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@vajar
based on your description, seems like you might have gotten a POSSIBLE "bad batch" in those shiny silver lacquers, the fact that you specifically stated you purchased the PREMIUM LINE (in the 50-pack cakebox), the "sticky edges" should NOT be there as it is SOMETIMES found in the "valueline" that come tape wrapped~ :)
in terms of the outermost edges of the disc itself, many TYs have this "not smooth/bumpy" look/feel to them, that portion of it is completely "normal" :)
but if you can see glue seeping in between the layers, i personally can't see that kind of detail as my eyes are not as good as they once were, but, i wouldn't worry about it TOO much unless it DOES affect your backup and there are issues during playback~ :)
what drive/burner make and model do you have? also, burning TYs at faster speeds (if by faster speed you mean OVERBURNING, ie faster than the rated speed of said media, i WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT) :) but i'm assuming you got yourself some 8x DVD-R TYs (i can tell by the inner hub code you gave) :) and if you have a Benq drive (1640,1650,1655) i would DEFINITELY recommend burning @8x ~ :) sometimes media should be burned slower on certain drives, but, i for one in the camp that if you have a decent drive, burn them @8x, i have PERSONALLY found that when i deal with Taiyo Yudens, my scores are SIGNIFICANTLY lower when i burn under 8x...it's been well over a year since i've burned anything @4x (which is what MOST people here will recommend as the burn speed) but, with the high quality media available today, it is NOT a necessity to always burn @4x, you can if you want or if you PREFER to burn @4x all the power to you, but i can tell you after THOUSANDS of burns using Taiyo Yuden media, MY best quality scores are from burning @8x~ :)
there are a lot of factors that could contribute to playback and compatibility, since you are using DVD-R format, booktyping is NOT an option for that format...you SHOULD have NO problems burning @4x or @6x or @8x (whichever u prefer starting out)...my suggestion would be to try a few at diff. speeds and see if you NOTICE anything different/issues during playback, and if you have time run a Nero cd-dvd speed scan to check for PIE/PIF errors~ :) but we'll save that for another day, let's get you up and burning TODAY and deal with the issues (if any) that are troubling you~ :P
as to being OFF TOPIC, about time SOMEONE brought my thread BACK ON TOPIC...thank you~ :)
nothing wrong w/ everyone talking about Linux, Vista, etc. and whatnot, but this IS a Taiyo Yuden thread....as creaky suggested, if you guys want more info/opinions about Linux, someone create a thread dedicated to such things...i myself am only an amateur to the Linux side of things, i'm not very familiar with it's inner-workings, but HAVE used it in the past :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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9. May 2006 @ 19:54 |
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The stickyness I was describing isn't actually stickiness, but thats the feeling you get (why I also described it as rubber) - probably due to the small amount of friction created by the bumpiness. As for glue leaking, that's just how I would describe the look of the bumpiness.
As for burning, I was going to be burning at 8x, but I've read bad things about going over 4x, so I wanted to make sure it didn't affect lifetime (faster dye bleed). I could care less if I get 5% coasters. I've got a TDK 1280B DVDRW drive, how does that rank?
Sounds like I got a completely normal batch - TY definately is an unusual feeling/looking brand. Thanks for reassuring me, I was a bit nervous when I saw them.
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9. May 2006 @ 20:15 |
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@vajar
well, i guess i didn't understand/comprehend your description of the discs~ :) it's all about how you convey your feeling hehe...yah, now based on your more detailed explanation, seems to me like you got a perfectly "normal" batch in your TYs~ :)
as to you hearing about "bad things over 4x"...depends on WHO you heard that from, i can pretty much safely say i've had more experience with Taiyo Yuden media specifically than probably anyone else that is a member here at AfterDawn, not trying to sound like a conceited prick, but i'm pretty sure it's the truth~ :)
while i am NOT familiar with your TDK burner, i WILL dispell the fallacy that you read/heard about regarding your burn speed...whoever told you that if you burn OVER 4x on quality media it will give you trouble or is "bad" as you put it, is full of CRAP...not only do MY OWN scores burning @8x on Taiyo Yuden media prove this, but, if you have a decent drive, there SHOULD BE NO NEED to slow burns down to 4x when using Taiyo Yuden media (unless you are using the 4x rated TYG01s, in which case you should stick to burning @4x as they are rated as such) :)
a lot of the problems people have when burning onto TY media is that their burners/drives are "not really all that good" in terms of quality, or compounded with outdated firmware, or just having standalone players that are just "picky" about certain media...there are a whole HOST of factors that could contribute to why their backups pixellate, freeze, skip, etc...but, A LOT of the times it's because they are using CRAPPY media, which is the ROOT of their problems...
you will be just fine with the Taiyo Yudens you just purchased...if you have issues NOW that we know MEDIA choice is NOT the culprit, come on back and i will personally help you out here in my thread...
good luck and enjoy ur new TYs~ :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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10. May 2006 @ 00:51 |
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It depends what your backing up. Burning movies at 8x is fine. You may want to burn X-Box or PS2 games at 4x, but if you have a fairly powerful PC with a newer burner, up to date firmware, and quality media, then 8x should be fine. On my setup, burning games/movies at 8x works fine. I've burned 95% of my games at 4x, but the 5% I've burned at 8x play perfectly. Never had a Coaster on TY.
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10. May 2006 @ 04:41 |
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@docTY
i see what you mean...lol question about the 16xdvd+r verbs which code as mcc004. i currently burn them at 8x speedare these good enouhg media to burn at 12x? as you can do with clonedvd2? second i also have gotten those mij maxell 8xDVD+R's which code out at maxell 002. are these good enough to try at 8x?or should i stick to just burning them at 4x?. i know you said it also depends on if you have a decent burner also. i have the hp740i(hp740b)16xdl writer is this good enough to burn at these higher speeds?be honest if it is a crappy burner it wont hurt my feelings. i just got into the burning business a few months ago and bought this burner cause it matched my computer. i know there are way better burners and in the near future i am gonna get one. thanks for any help/info
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10. May 2006 @ 05:05 |
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Look at my profile page (Blog) for scans of Maxell burns (among others) @ 8X and decide for yourself...
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10. May 2006 @ 05:13 |
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cool page you got there. thanks for the graphics. like i said im new to this stuff i have used the Nero dvdspeed check but i think my burner doesnt react to it cause i dont get the graph like everyone else does showing the pi errors and others i just get a green line across the board nothing else what is the norm for those checks? where sheould the numbers be for a quality burn? and is there any other program that does the same thing as the Nero speed check?that my burner might work with?
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