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Official docTY Taiyo Yuden thread
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17. May 2006 @ 16:19 |
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Just curious to all those posting who pursue hunting and buying media from brick and morter. Why?
1)The plus format is way more expensive on the net,than locally with the brick and mortar stores weekly sales.Dash,I'll buy printable shiny inkjet only.
2)I have a difficult time with: UPS/USPS/and Fed EX-also known as Fed SUX. Their shipping sux.If you're not there when they get to your door-approx 5 seconds of waiting,then they are long gone.Then they want you to come to their distribution center to pick them up if you desire.
3) For 8x media, I can locate the tys/riteks/Mitsubishi/and hitachi very easily.
4) I got 4 benqs. They'll burn anything you slap in them.
5) If I get a bad batch,I can simply return them at my next visit.
6) Other great bargains as well,like garmoon stated. $50 for 200 gb maxtor diamond max hd/ $195 for 19" LCD flat screens/photopaper/and a lot more.
7) A nice day to get out of the house and take the girlfriend/s out for a car ride.
Here's a list of my stores I get majority of my media:
Office max
Office Depot
Staple's
Bestbuy
Kmart
Walgreens
CVS
Oddlots/Biglots
Sears
Target
The top 4 are my main resources.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!! |
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17. May 2006 @ 16:36 |
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I always wait till a good sale from supermediastore comes out, and it comes pretty often, I got 200 ty's from them at a great price plus free S&H, plus you never have to worry about fake media, they are always on the money, if they advertize a ty you can bet it's a ty, plus if you hit the bricks many times you might get boot media, I'm sure there are some decent places you can can get good media out there but if it's not around the corner and might not be reliable why chance it.
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17. May 2006 @ 18:35 |
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You can great deals if you know where to look. Not everybody is comfortable ordering stuff online, especially if they've been victimized by fraud or identity theft. I tend to agree with you, but I hate paying S&H fees, and am impatient with crappy UPS shipping as well. I want my media now. There's no right or wrong way to do it, just depends on user preference.
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18. May 2006 @ 13:21 |
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@DocTY
Well I ordered my Ty's Yesterday at Supermediastore. I didn't order the special with the sleeves, but I did order the 100 pack they had advertised with free shipping. Ordered some ink too. I will let you know how the new disc "feels" next week.
In the meantime I will try to post my Nec burner and firmware if you wouldn't mind helping with cross flashing. I would like to be able to booktype in the near future.
Gotta go, the beer is getting warm...
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18. May 2006 @ 13:37 |
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18. May 2006 @ 14:11 |
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That looks like a great price for ink. Too bad private.abacus upped the price for the epson r-series printer ink.Used to be $55 for 3 sets.After last weekend,that price went to $80 +
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18. May 2006 @ 14:33 |
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@saugmon
I turned my sister-in-law on to abacus. She is ordering BCI-6 catridges by the case for her Canon Pixma. What I've used can't be distinguished from real canon BCI-6 inks. I wish I could remember who turned me on to abacus here at AD; I'd love to thank him.
edit: Yea the cost of epson R220 printer ink made me rethink getting one for $88 at Sams. I have too many non-printable DVDs to use yet.
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18. May 2006 @ 15:43 |
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@Garmoon
No it's for a piece of junk all in one of my wife's. She has an HP that I have been draining the color cartridge for covers!! But thanks for the headsup. I will check them regularly for now on.
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18. May 2006 @ 15:43 |
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My R-200 came from sams club. $79 not including governor's share.
Abacus was around $18 a set for mine. Excellent,considering all the brick and mortar stores wanted $55-$60 a set.
Supermediastore.com was around $15 a set?,and free shipping last time I checked them out. I'm not printing the original covers anymore.Those are what hogs up the ink. Strickly disc only,and using binders.
Covers.to closed up for about 2 months.That put a hold on my printables. But they are up and running with another name:
http://covers.box.sk/.
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19. May 2006 @ 08:31 |
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@fatstrat
here is a wonderful website (in terms of NECs) and has everything you will need in terms of firmwares (official AND modified) that you could use...
http://www.micheldeboer.nl/firmware/
i would personally recommend the "liggy & dees" firmwares for whichever model you currently have, the "firmware utilities" tab is chock-full of an assortment of goodies that you can use to flash, add features, bitsetting tools, etc. :)
if this is your first time cross-flashing, i would strongly suggest you do some reading/research first before proceeding...i can't say i'm an "expert" on cross-flashing, but i am VERY experienced with cross-flashing Pioneer drives, not so much experience with Nec or Liteons however and have YET to cross-flash any of my Benqs :)
but, in MY OPINION, especially with NECs and Pioneers (since official firmware does NOT allow bitsetting) it's a very good option to consider for more compatibility on standalones w/ DVD+R booktyped to dvd-rom :)
i use like 90% DVD+R format these days and only 10% DVD-R for my family's picky Toshiba standalones, Benq booktype using QSuite, Liteon using their own booktyping utility, Pioneer cross-flashed to buffalo firmware, and Nec using Liggy & Dees firmware~ :)
good luck and i'm sure the TYs u ordered will be just fine, ALL my drives have NO ISSUES with Taiyo Yudens, great media choice..hehe
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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windtrade
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19. May 2006 @ 10:12 |
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i use like 90% DVD+R format these days and only 10% DVD-R for my family's picky Toshiba standalones
Do you mean certain Toshiba STB can not play DVD-R discs? I heard of this years ago when DVD was new and DVD-R was not even a reality, thus the old players don't recognize certain formats. For that matter, if they don't read DVD-R, I'm curious how they are able to read DVD+R, even with the booktype set.
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19. May 2006 @ 10:18 |
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I got a new 13" toshiba combo DVD-TV that refuses to recognize DL +R DVDs booktyped to DVD-ROM. Plays single layer +Rs tho? Go figure!
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19. May 2006 @ 13:07 |
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I got a new 13" toshiba combo DVD-TV that refuses to recognize DL +R DVDs booktyped to DVD-ROM. Plays single layer +Rs tho? Go figure!
This makes sense as the dual layer standard is newer and requires different laser focusing circuitry but handles the older single +R media.
The question I pose is reversed: why would a player handle a newer standard +R but not the older -R standard.
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19. May 2006 @ 13:12 |
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I was just showing that Toshiba dvd players are picky with a lot of media. Hell I have 4 year old daewoos that play dl +R media with no problems. A brand new toshiba should play all media flawlessly.
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19. May 2006 @ 13:26 |
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if they don't read DVD-R, I'm curious how they are able to read DVD+R, even with the booktype set.
Newer drives should be able to play both dash and plus.Those el-cheapos usually do.
My backups get played in a slew of different drives.This include pc drives/game consoles/portable players/tv recorders/and stand alone players.
Booktyping is a huge asset. The only drive I couldn't get to recognize one of my booktyped backups,wouldn't even recognize a dash either.That was from one of my Benq drives.That drive was an old ps2,likely v1 or v2. The guy who had that ps2, decided to buy an elcheapo player for that backup.Issue solved for him.
The booktyped backups,from a quality drive will play in a lot more drives than the basic dash. If drive is not booktyping capable,the dash will be more compatable than the plus format.
There's certain stand alone players that also don't like particular burners. They may play a dash from someone elses NEC burner,but won't even recognize the dash backup from my burner-using same exact MID coded media.Then there's the totally crappola burners.Very poor stand alone compatability. There's media quality,and then there's burner quality.
I've got 8 burners now. Huge compatability and performance differences between the BenQ's,and the Non Benqs.That's why my Benqs only burn,and scan the backups. No ripping and playing on them.
garmoon:
DL and SL backups are different.Just like +r and +rw. Totally different types of discs. Stand alone players will have a harder time reading DL and RW backups. The booktyping does help.
Stand alone players can also pick apart different MID coded media.Take +DL media. Verbatims are the best in the world.More playback issues are with the Ritek and the other manufacturers.Ritek is very good for single layer,but they do have more playback issues on the DL media.
My DL backups-also booktyped-don't go into a lot of drives. I don't do a whole lot of them.I can't estimate how they fare, compared to my single layer booktyped backups.The compatability has gotta be lower than booktyped single layer.
HP a1118x-b/athlon 64-3300+/BenQ 1650 BCDC/LG 8163B/Modded Wii/Epson-R300 and Ty Watershields!!!
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19. May 2006 @ 19:13 |
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Do you mean certain Toshiba STB can not play DVD-R discs?
actually, in MY case, it's quite the opposite of what you are assuming...
my family's Toshiba STB's do NOT play my DVD+R booktyped to dvd-rom, regardless of which manufacturer of disc that i use...it's quite odd, as ALL of MY standalones (ie. high end Denon units all the way down to my inexpensive Panasonic carousel 5-disc dvd player) play DVD+R booktyped to dvd-rom flawlessly.
it's because of these, what i call "picky/fussy," Toshiba's my parents as well as my wife's family's player own that i even use DVD-R format~ :) i'm a DVD+R format guy true and true, if not for a few STBs, i would never even use DVD-R format if i had a choice (personal preference once again) :)
what is even MORE unusual is that these Toshibas that my family owns WILL play DVD+R DLs booktyped to dvd-rom, BUT WILL NOT play single layer DVD+R booktyped to dvd-rom :) how weird is that??? LOL
i can't explain WHY this is the case, your guess is as good as mine why this occurs...my backups now are done based on specific standalone compatibility (depending on WHICH player will be using them, i choose accordingly with DVD-R or DVD+R format) :)
have a good one, this is still a mystery to me, good thing i got plenty of Taiyo Yudens in BOTH formats when the need arises.
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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19. May 2006 @ 20:09 |
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what is even MORE unusual is that these Toshibas that my family owns WILL play DVD+R DLs booktyped to dvd-rom, BUT WILL NOT play single layer DVD+R booktyped to dvd-rom :) how weird is that??? LOL
Now that is WHACK! Only thing left to say it's odd that Toshiba have the problem as they are at the forefront of DVD and now HDDVD formats. You'd think they would get it right at least as well as the other OEMs.
It seems the comments here give the edge to booktyped DVD +R over plain (non-booktyped) DVD-R. I guess I'll start the switch over to the "positive" side, although old habits die hard. :-)
UPDATE - I see why they're called + and - media after looking at the cost difference between the two. I'm not sure I'll switch given the significant price differential (50% ish more). ouchee!!
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19. May 2006 @ 20:52 |
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hehehe windtrade,
yes, there is definitely a price difference between the two formats online~ :) but, if you are sale hunting locally, the price is the same for both the DVD-R format and the DVD+R format LOCALLY (ie. bestbuy, circuitcity, compusa, walmart, officedepot, officemax, etc.) :)
decisions, decisions...i PREFER the DVD+R because of the ability to dvd-rom booktyping, at least for ME, offers me a more broad range of compatibility for standalone players...i also believe that the DVD+R format has some inherent advantages in it as well, that can be argued to no end by others, but i PERSONALLY feel that the DVD+R is worth it in the long run, even if this is based solely on the fact that it can be booktyped to dvd-rom, and the DVD-R format CANNOT. :)
docTY~
p.s. yes, that is WHACK as you say...hehe, i like the quality of Toshiba electronics myself, that's why i purchased them for my family, given the little "issue" that i have with them playing my DVD+R booktyped to dvd-rom, it wasn't worth it for me to return them as they play DVD-R backups beautifully~ they are very good players. i am not flaming Toshiba's products at all, i find the build of their components to be of high quality and i have an old Toshiba TV that STILL works well to this day that is well over 5+ years old.
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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19. May 2006 @ 20:54 |
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Go figure, I have a $29.99 Toshiba stand alone that plays anything and everything I throw atit, even my two year old CMC-Mag disks which didn't play on my Philips?????
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19. May 2006 @ 20:59 |
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@blivetNC
well, guess i purchased an "off-model" at the time :) it was less than $100 each for the ones i bought, not high-end by any means, picked them up at BestBuy actually, but, i don't remember the model number as they are not in front of me now (and my parents and my wife's parents are not too keen about electronics/model numbers even if i asked them to check for me) :) LOL
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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19. May 2006 @ 21:46 |
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Yeah DVD players are weird. I had a nice Pioneer player that was super picky with my bootlegged anime. After that bit the dust, I purchased a $40 POS Aspire, and it plays everything I throw at it, pressed or burned media. The remote is possesed by Satan, but that's a small price to pay for that type of reliability at virtually no cost. I started out a DVD-R guy, but converted to DVD+R's booktyped to ROM. All I've used since I've known what I was doing was Taiyo Yuden, and I can't say I've noticed any difference in reliability. TY is awesome in DVD+R or DVD-R format. You forget it's even burned media half the time. Burned at 4x, 8x, right to the edge, no skips, or boot failures. That goes for PS2, movies, etc. In general I prefer DVD+R's, but will buy TY locally when I can get it under .50 cents a disc (overpriced, but hate waiting on shipping). Go with whatever format your players will play, as long as it's Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim.
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20. May 2006 @ 05:29 |
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Yeah, I prefer +R as well, but I only use inkjet printables... I have found myself using mostly -R printables now because I can get TY at supermediastore for a little over 30 cents apiece (actually, 300 for $98.99 AND free shipping on my last purchase). Keep in mind, these are TY inkjet printable to boot!!! You can't beat that in brick and mortar!!!
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System 1: Core2Quad Q6600 O/Ced @ 3.15 GHz, Gigabyte GA EP35 DS4 mobo, Zalman 9700, 4GB PC6400 RAM, Sapphire Radeon 2600HD Pro, Samsung 920BW 19" Widescreen LCD, Hauppauge! PVR-350.
System 2: Core2Duo E6400 O/Ced @ 3.2 GHz, Gigabyte GA 965P S3 mobo, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro, 2GB PC6400 RAM, PNY GeForce 6600, Hyundai B70A 17" LCD.This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 20. May 2006 @ 05:31
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20. May 2006 @ 05:53 |
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@DocTy,
I don't know if it's an off model thing or what, the Philips was a top end when I purchased it, 5 disk changer, all sorts of features, you name it, played any 4x disk I had at the time, My wife bought a Sony, played about 95% of the disks, but the best performer is the Cheap A$$ Toshiba I picked up on clearance??? Maybe it's feelings were hurt 'cuz it was on the cheap A$$ rack across from the good stuff? Maybe an electronics whiz can explain why this is so. Just my 2˘ worth. However, every player I have will play the TY disks, both ±R disks.
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20. May 2006 @ 06:17 |
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For picture quality nothing beats my old Toshiba, which only plays -R media and it hates Memores disks. The new Sony I bought plays anything but the picture is not as good. The cheapies they don't care either about what you feed them they will get through the errors. Of course TY's play on all.
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20. May 2006 @ 07:18 |
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I am lucky I dont have the problems with booktyped TY's with anyone around me. The reason I switched to +R booktyped however was (imagine this picture) Christmas day, all the gifts have been exchanged, and my extended family were all are talking and drinking and laughing so I pulled out my last "gift", I put a copy of my Johnny Carson greatest moments in for us all to enjoy, and it wouldnt play the TY -R's even though I checked the quality of the discs and had compatability on all 3 DVD players in my house. I dropped the ball at the worst moment and vowed never again... wuah hah hah wuah....
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