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11. February 2006 @ 16:13 |
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I tried 3 more disc, 2 from the middle sections and 1 from the bottom all with the same results. The last one I could hardly get my stand alone player to recognize at all. That's 5 TY's so far, all with the same bad results. I then made my final burn to my last blank SONY +R(coded ty) that I had left. It's playing perfectly, no skips, jumps, pauses, etc., I'm watching it now.
I'm using the 6.6.0.18 version of Nero and always turn off all the programs running in the background that I possbily can, virus protection, internet, others, etc. I never use the computer while burning, encodeing, etc. and I do a routine disc cleanup and defrag. It's eather a bad batch or my stand alone players don't like genuine TY media, haha. Now I've got to figure out if it's cost effective to send these back and should I get another batch of TY's in return or should I just toss them and chalk it up to a bad experience. Meanwhile I'm out of disc, grrr except for a few JVC -RWS that I purchased on the cheap. Don't know much about those except they were dirt cheap lol, they are made in Japan and they work in my stand alones. I ordered them with the TYs so I would have something to test and play with and not have coasters left.
Not that this would have anything to do with it, but would the fact that the TY's pritables with no finish on the top have anything to do with my problem? I know it doesn't grrr, I guess I'm just reaching for something. Those are the first I've purchased like that without any kind of finish at all on the top. Anway, thanks for the help and I'll get in touch with Meritine Monday to figure out what I'm going to do.
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11. February 2006 @ 17:10 |
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Meritline.com is reputable, you should definitely try to send them back. Most likely your burner/DVD Player isn't very compatible with TY's. Did you scan any of the TY's with Nero CD/DVD Speed or DVDInfoPro? That could give you an idea if it's a bad batch or compatibility issue.
93. Q. How can I tell if my burned disc is of good quality?
A. Well besides you using quality media like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim's, you can use a program called Nero CD/DVD Speed to measure the quality of your discs. It measures POF, PIF and gives your disc a quality score based largely on it's precoreded Media ID. In my experience that's the key component to getting a good quality score. A crap manufacturer like CMC Mag won't maintain a great quality score over time, even if you follow all the advice given on AD for successful burning. You don't need to know exactly what PIF's and POF's are, just know the more of them, the more likely your disc will skip, lag, freeze, or not boot at all. When people say CMC Mag or Memorex media is crap, that info is based largely on many Nero CD/DVD Speed scans by burn enthusiaists on CMC Mag media that have yielded terrible quality scores. Try it yourself and see. You can find Nero CD/DVD Speed here: http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=download.html Plextor DVD Burners aren't compatible with Nero CD/DVD Speed. For their DVD Burners you need to use a program called Plextools, which does about the same thing as Nero CD/DVD Speed minus the quality score. You can find Plextools here: http://www.plextools.com/download/download.asp
DVD Info Pro: http://www.dvdinfopro.com/
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11. February 2006 @ 17:45 |
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Tokijin
Thanks for the info. I would like to do scans on my disc but for some reason I've never been able to get nero's cdspeed to work. When I click on disc quality to do the scan. The start button is faded and I can't figure out how to correct that so I can start it. All the other tabs work, it's just that one. Maybe it's a compatability issuse with my drive (Pioneer DVR-109, I don't know. I'll give DVDInfo Pro a shot, thanks for the link, it's the first I've heard about that one
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11. February 2006 @ 18:42 |
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I was using Memorex media and didn't seem to have any problem with them (using labels with them too), but then ran out and bought something called Pengo - I used dvdidentifer and it says they're Taiyo Yuden - which many people on here say are pretty good. I think my problems began with this new batch of dvds and don't know what to make of it....I burn at a slow speed (x2),
Waht do you think about this doc, ever heard of them?
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11. February 2006 @ 19:03 |
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The 109 is not capable of doing quality scans with CDSpeed. Even with InfoPro it is not very reliable...
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11. February 2006 @ 19:14 |
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Jake02 sounds like your standalone player just doesnt like the Taiyo Yudens(which is a first) i doubt very much its a bad batch .try playing them in your PC or another dvd player and see what happens
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11. February 2006 @ 19:25 |
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@ aabbccdd
I've tried all of them in my pc using Ulead DVD Player and they all play perfectly. That's why I originally thought it was a incompatability issue between my stand alone players and the TY media. But it's the same on both of my stand alone players which put me back confused again. Neither of these players have had any compatability issues with any media in the +r -r or -rw formats before.
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11. February 2006 @ 19:29 |
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and you have what brand of dvd player?
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11. February 2006 @ 19:35 |
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@ aabbccdd
I have an Apex that is at least 2 years old, probably closer to 3years or over. It's played everything ever put in it, except cds. The other is a Memorex I bought on sale in November or last year. It also has played everything I've ever put in it. Ok I must revise that, until NOW, they have played everything. Until it tried the TY's
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wow i had an Apex and it played TYs fine ,iam going to say the TYs just arent going to work with your setup. very odd
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11. February 2006 @ 20:16 |
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Just passing by...
My 3 y.o Apex AD 1225 plays everything, from Memorex CD to TY DVD,+/-, or mpegs burned as data...
Yours is kinda strange...
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Sure sounds like a compability issue. I would try to return them to merritline and possibly try a smaller quantity of some TY dvd+r's or verbatim's. You may have to go with something that you have tried and know works with your setup. Try smaller quantities to be sure they are compatible. I've never had any problems with verbatim (MCC003) DVD+R hub printables. Take into consideration that I always booktype them dvd-rom.
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11. February 2006 @ 20:32 |
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Thanks all. It stands to reason for me to that it's a compatability issue between the players and the media. The computer reads them fine with my ulead dvd player software. I'll go back to verbs probably. I've used verbs -R, Sony +R, and TDK -R's. All work perfectly in both players. I think I'll search for a sale locally tomorrow. I'm completely out and try to get a refund from Meritline. I'll probably have to pay a restocking fee, haven't read the return policy yet, but that's still better than 95 disk sitting here that I can't use. Also, another stupid question, they came in wrapped in plastic and I've removed the plastic so it's going to be fun figuring out how to package them, haha, luckaly I kept the shipping box. Anyway, Thaks all for your time and your help. I was sooo wanting to be a TY fan but it didn't work out for me.
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11. February 2006 @ 20:37 |
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@jake02
just got home from work, long day...or else i would have responded earlier~ :)
anyways, do you have a pc dvd-rom or a different drive to run quality tests on (preferably a Liteon or a Benq)...as teflonmyk mentioned, the dvr-109 is not compatible w/ nero's cd-dvd speed and ON THE WHOLE, Pioneers are one of THE MOST UNRELIABLE scanning drives when it comes to those kind of tests...seriously, i've ran MANY tests using the my pioneer and i've gotten DIFFERENT results almost every time (same disc, different time of the day; i honestly believe that the test results VARY when the drive is "warmed up" or when the drive is "cold," meaning you just turned on your computer and the drive hasn't read any discs yet) :P
i've done scanning tests with all sorts of different media, but i rely heavily on the test results from my Liteon or Benq drives (for me personally, i feel they are the most accurate); i'm sure Plextor drives do a very good job of scanning using the PlexTools, but i don't have a plextor drive so i can't comment on them~
back to your current dilemna...i overlooked the fact that your standalones COULD possibly not "like" Taiyo Yuden discs, reason i didn't even think of that is it's VERY rare that people ever report problems with compatibility when using Taiyo Yuden...i'm sure the possibility of it is DEFINITELY there, i just have never personally encountered one or heard from a member that their standalone "plays every kind/format/brand of disc, OTHER THAN Taiyo Yuden"...that just seems very strange to me. :) but seemingly, if you stated they play perfectly on your PC, that leads me to believe that there IS a compatiblity issue between your 2 standalones and TY media...this is def. a NEW experience to me personally. :)
@cyprusrom
as a matter of fact, yes i HAVE heard of Pengo, they are a taiwanese company that produce sub-par media...my close friend that i share "dvd media" notes with has actually tried them, they are yet ANOTHER small company that uses a FAKE TAIYO YUDEN code and sells it under their own name brand...it's 100% FAKE TY, the made in taiwan is the dead-giveaway...and also upon checking for the inner hub coding, it is NOT THERE as per genuine TYs that i listed in my first post~ :) while i have PERSONALLY never used them, i trust my friend 100% when it comes to testing media; we both share a passion for dvd media and he's tried just as many different kinds as i have over the years, with some brands that even i have not tried...he tells me they are pretty piss poor and i believe him...i guess i could relate them to the 8x dvd-r Linkyo (supermediastore's own house brand-which i've heard recently have changed from FAKE TY coding to that of Optodisc or some other crappy manufacturer as people were complaining that these were FAKE TYs and supermediastore got a lot of heat for it- i DO have some of these in my possession at this time, they were given to me awhile ago for me to give me evaluation on, they burn nicely at first, but upon scanning...highest i ever got on them was about 70% due to massive PIE/PIF errors) of FAKE TYG02 coded media...the quality is POOR, the FAKE TYs DO work for some people, but if longevity is what you care about, i would avoid ALL FAKE TYs at all cost~ it simply uses a "fake TY" coding to throw off the unknowing...most of the FAKE stuff is manufactured in taiwan or even shadier factories in hong kong and china...beware.
docTY~
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well, as unfortunate as it might seem for you to join the TY bandwagon, i would def. go with Verbatim as my 2nd choice...if you've had good success with them in the past (i know i have and mort81 has too-- 8x dvd+r/16x dvd+r MCC003 and MCC004 respectively), stick with the Verbs~ :) Verbatim is on sale frequently at local stores if you are willing to be patient for them...i would NOT recommend TDK (personal opinion of course), but the Sony ones that you HAVE had success with would be next on the list after Verbatim.
out of curiousity, did you get the MIT or MIJ Sony? are they in fact the Taiyo Yuden made ones or the Sony coded ones? both are good, but i just thought it would be IRONIC as hell if you did get the YUDEN000T02s (which are TYs) and they work wonderfully on your players, but the TYs in the dvd-r format do not~ :) that would be a real "kicker" if that was the case...IF that is the case, please do share...i don't mean to laugh as i'm sure it's frustrating for you, but the irony of it all should put a smile on your face, if even for a brief moment. :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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11. February 2006 @ 21:01 |
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@doc,
thanx, I will let the man know!
How about these codes do they look suspicious to you"? Is taken from a Nero log,and somehow I thought it should be 8x dvd+r = YUDEN000T02.
Disc Manufacturer ID: YUDEN000
Media type ID: T02
Product revision number: 0
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4E - 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 ...YUDEN000T02.8
23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 - 8C 63 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A #T7..Nr..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
As for the inner hub codes and stuff, the only TY that I have ever been fortunate to own ate some x8 Sony MIJ!
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No, the Pioneer DVR-109 is the only drive I have on my computer. I custom built this and at the time I was complating putting another drive on it but my thinking was, I would hardly use it except for the rare install of programs. Wasn't thinking about my Pioneer Drive not being compatable with any scanning software or being a reliable scanning drive
It seems strange to me to the compatability issue between my two stand alones and TY Media. I've researched MANY MANY hours since I purchased my Drive and I've never read anything about a stand alone being compatable other types of media and not TY. I think it has somethihng to do with me in relation to Murphys Law. They work great on my computer but not in my stand alones. I still have resorvations about the compatability theory but in respect to the $$ aspect of proving this theory right or wrong I think I will just go with another type media that I've already used and I know works. I can get Sony +R (Yuden000T02) here locally which I had great results with (for a premium price) Or Verb -R MCC which I also had great results with. I'm very curious to try and prove this right or wrong but I'm tight on $$ right now and I'm already at a loss on these so I think I'll just send them back for a refund Monday and get some here locally tomorrow.
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YES YES YES, they are YUDEN000T02
I was thinking the same thing. I been trying to solve this for hours and yes it's a KICKER, IRONIC or whatever else one can call it, haha
out of curiousity, did you get the MIT or MIJ Sony? are they in fact the Taiyo Yuden made ones or the Sony coded ones? both are good, but i just thought it would be IRONIC as hell if you did get the YUDEN000T02s (which are TYs) and they work wonderfully on your players, but the TYs in the dvd-r format do not~ :) that would be a real "kicker" if that was the case...IF that is the case, please do share...i don't mean to laugh as i'm sure it's frustrating for you, but the irony of it all should put a smile on your face, if even for a brief moment. :)
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Jake ,one other thing you might try is using a different program ,download clonedvd 2 with anydvd its a free 21 day trial and run a TY though the program and see if it plays in your standalone. use this guide if you need it. BTW anydvd makes the dvd region free which makes it the most compatible with any standalone deck.THIS MAY WORK!!!
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@cyprusrom
that dvd identifier result seems ok~, mine look very similar with the only difference being some symbols in the media specifics section~ :) was that coding given from a "suspicious brand?" the reason i ask is that i have only seen a FAKE TY coding on the DVD+R format from small companies that get their media from Hong Kong, it's rampant on the DVD-R format (made in taiwan fakes)...with fake TYG02s everywhere nowadays, but the YUDEN000T02 FAKE ones are usually "made in hong kong" or "made in india" or some other country where dvd media is not produced on a large scale~ :) by "large scale" i mean taiwan and japan are the 2 countries that produce the BULK of the media worldwide, moreso taiwan than japan...
the only REAL way to find out for sure is the inner hub coding on those 8x DVD+R discs...it should begin with "TG00xxxx" where xxxx is a numerical value of the batch number. if that coding is not there, then those are FAKE Taiyo Yudens...shady companies out there can easily fake the media ID coding (when identified with dvd identifier, dvdinfopro, Nero cd-dvd speed, DVD Decrypter, etc.) but to go as far as FAKING the serial just outside the hub...that is MUCH MUCH more difficult to do~
@jake02
wow, that is WEIRD, for the lack of a better word to describe it... :) seems like your 2 standalone players CAN play Taiyo Yuden media, just not the DVD-R format TYs~ LOL it doesn't really make sense to me as to WHY this is happening tho...
since right out of the block, DVD-R format is MORE compatible than DVD+R (unless booktyped to dvd-rom) and since you have that pioneer with OFFICIAL firmware, it is NOT capable of booktyping...now THAT is IRONY/STRANGE/PECULIAR/etc.. haha
i dunno what else to say...you think it MIGHT be a "bad batch?" or you think your standalones just WILL NOT play Taiyo Yuden in the DVD-R format? :)
important thing is let's work with your budget, Verbatim MCC coded media are VERY VERY good quality media, i don't have as much experience with Verbatim as i do with Taiyo Yuden, but i have 'quite a few' flawless burns under my belt w/ Verbs (only in the DVD+R format though, i've used less than 100 total in the DVD-R format under the Verbatim brand) :)
just for your information, Sony branded discs do go on sale too locally, once again, just have to be patient for the sales and to look for the "MIJ" on the spindle to get the YUDEN000T02s that you seem to have GOOD success with in the past~ :) the MIT Sony coded media is decent too, but, in my opinion, are not as good as the TY produced ones...i think most others will concur too~ :) good luck and i hope your media buying experience is a good one, save some money and burn on my friend...
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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11. February 2006 @ 21:50 |
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@kivory666
That code was from some Fuji +R, but I don't know if they were made in Japan. If it looked alright, they must be MIJ.
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@cyprusrom
if it was in fact a FUJIFILM 8x DVD+R disc, then it is DEFINITELY a MIJ one~ :) i have quite a few of the YUDEN000T02 Taiyo Yuden produced discs under the FUJI label/brand~ :) they are identical in quality to the unbranded Taiyo Yudens with the same media ID coding and also to the Sony MIJ YUDEN000T02 8x DVD+R ~ :)
with the LARGE companies, ie. Fuji & Sony, you don't have to worry about getting FAKE TYs...it's the small, unknown companies that are notorious for using FAKE TY coding on their marketable brand of media~ :)
whoever it may be that you are helping w/ that coding, it checks out and you can be reassured that if he is using a 8x DVD+R Fuji MIJ disc, it IS an authentic Taiyo Yuden produced disc...you heard it from ME and you can quote me if need be~ :)
have a good one
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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11. February 2006 @ 22:10 |
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thanx doc!
I hope they are MIJ, I don't like to be the bearer of bad news!
You're right, I should've thought about the big/small company issue!
cheers!
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@Kivory666
Yes it does stand to reason that IF my DVD Players wouldn't play TY's in one of the formats it would be +R, since it's supposedly somewhat less compatable....I haven't run into any issues of this though even without booktypeing. But my problem is reversed. My Sony brand +R's(Yuden003s) work perfectly but the TY brand -R (TYGO2) Doesn't...go figure. Nothing tonight has made any since to me with this issue. Honestly, I don't think It's a bad batch because they do work on my computer using Ulead DVD Player. This leads me to believe that if I exchanged them for some TY +R's from Meritine, they would work. But that's just a chance...hunch...theory...etc. and I really would rather go with some I already know work. It does raise my curiousity though. Even though I don't have a drive capable of booktype, the +R Yuden000T02 works and the -R TYG02 doesn't. You're right, strange is the most fitting word here. I wish I had known about booktyping before I bought this drive, but that's water under the bridge now.
Anyway I thank everyone here for the help tonight. My eyes are heavy and my mind is confused so I'm going to bed. Best wishes to all.
PS...Where on the spindle would the MIJ be. The way I picked the Sonys out on my first buy was they had some -R spindles made in Taiwan and +R spindles some made in Taiwan and Some in Japan. I got a Japan spindle, not really wanting to because I never had experience with the +R format before that, but everything worked out with them and they coded with the Yuden.... code.
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I will try this tomorrow, don't want to really get into downloading and installing right now though. I'm tired. I do appreciate the help, TY.
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jake read my above post and try it in the morning
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This may be off topic but I was in staples the other day and noticed they had a good price on maxell DVD+R 50 pks. I can't remember the price for sure but I think they were $19.95. They had 50 pks sony (mij) on sale too but they were quite a bit more.
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Thanks guys
I found the GG00xxxx on the bottom
I looked twice but didn't see anything on the bottom at first
needed the light JUST right
These are real TY
thanks for the tip
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